Talk:Boston Bruins/Archive 1

Archive 1

List of Boston Bruins players

When adding players to the Boston Bruins page, could you aso ensure that you add the players here too: List of Boston Bruins players. Thanks! Masterhatch 5 August 2005

Are there any Bruin fans who would like to work on the List of Boston Bruins players? --Sparkhurst 04:11, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Current Squad Work

Moved to article ccwaters 12:33, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Record

Bruins set a record 57-14-7 in the '70-1 season; has it ever been beaten? Trekphiler 04:07, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

It wasn't a record for percentage (that was Boston in 1930 with .875) nor long for wins and points; Montreal beat them with 58-11-11 and 127 points in 1976, then racked up a 60-8-12 record the season following. Detroit surpassed the win (but not the point) total in 1996 with 62 wins. Ravenswing 06:17, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Captain

Why wasn't another captain named after Thorton was traded? Marcus1060 06:06, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Mike Sullivan would be the better one to ask. Then again, leadership is in short supply in Boston these days. If I was going to pick a guy, I'd pick Axelsson, but I've no idea if he's a dressing-room leader type. Ravenswing 14:18, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Leetch would be better suited as a leader for this team, provided he can stay healthy. This guy lead New York for so long, and is a future hall of famer and a legend around the sport, that he is the only real candidate. Kntrabssi 22:37, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I think, Glen Murray (the veteran Bruin)& Brian Leetch (the veteran NHLer) could share the captaincy (like Briere & Drury in Buffalo). The Bruins have been captainless many times in their past, they seem to have a 'Captain Shmaptain' view of the 'C'. GoodDay 20:22, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup

I've done a good bit of sprucing up to the article, as well as trimming back the 2006 season recap; no need for it to have more ink than the Bruins' Stanley Cup wins combined. Ravenswing 07:37, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I just did a lot of cleanup and removed a lot of POV from the 2000s section. Still needs more. Reads way too much like a new article than an encyclopedia article. Haven't look at rest of article yet. Stoneice02 07:58, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

why?

could we try to explain why this team seems to play horribly as of late? thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.168.74.57 (talk • contribs) 21:32, November 6, 2006

No, since that is POV better suited to team-related bulletin boards. I suggest the Bruins board on boston.com if you're interested. Ravenswing 03:32, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Honored Members

This section needs to be written in pros, according to consensus at Wikipedia: WikiProject Ice Hockey/Team pages format. Stay tuned. GoodDay 21:56, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Free Agency (Part II)

Let's wait until July 1 (2007), before we start listing UFAs & RFAs. PS- What's wrong with Dotcanada's talk-page? The postings are invisiable. GoodDay 21:58, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Zhamnov??

What's the deal with Alexei Zhamnov?? His article says he's retired, the NHL lists him on IR with an ankle injury, and the Bruins don't have any reference to him. ccwaters 12:57, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

He never formally retired, apparently at the behest of the club, which would have had cap issues for some arcane reason if he did.  Ravenswing  13:50, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

So is he on IR and/or the payroll of the Bruins? Is he in New England somewhere? Sounds vaguely like Mike Rathje's situation. ccwaters 16:15, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

He's neither on IR or on the Bruins' payroll. The Bruins do not list him on their website; NHL.com does cite him as still a theoretical Bruin. He may be on one of those arcane lists the league maintains.  Ravenswing  23:20, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Manny Fernandez's status

i'm wondering why he's not listed on the current roster. would this be because he's currently assigned to the providence bruins in the AHL? that would make sense, but it is only for conditioning after recovering from an injury. he's not an AHL-er. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hallisb (talk • contribs) 02:12, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Tacked on information

I was reading over the page, and one paragraph in the 80's & 90's section stands out:

"Historically, their most bitter arch rivals have been the Montreal Canadiens, whom the Bruins have played a record 30 times in the playoffs. The Bruins also have a rivalry with the New York Rangers, much like the rivalry between the Yankees and Red Sox, although the rivalry with the Habs(the Canadiens' nickname) is much more intense."

If this paragraph is to be used in the page at all, shouldn't it be used in another section? If your speaking of the team historically, why would this be limited to two decades. These two rivalries have been going on long before the 80's and survive past the 90's.

Also I suggest the removal of the Red Sox/Yankees reference, unless a citation is provided by a credible source. The only thing the Bruins-Rangers rivalry has in common is one team is from Boston and one is from New York. They don't play in the same division, therefor don't compete for the same playoff spot (unless it's a wild card). They haven't been in the same division since the NHL Expansion.

I'm not saying that it's not a notable rivalry, there will always be one there, with Boston/New York and considering both are original six teams. But if we must use the Sox/Yanks analogy wouldn't it be a more accurate portrayal of the Bruins-Habs rivalry? There is a stronger correlation between these franchises than the former described. If I don't hear a response in the next few days, I'll proceed to edit/move the paragraph. --Tsurettejr (talk) 14:08, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Reading over the article again, I see that there are a few more instances of information simply being tacked on at the end of some of the sections. It doesn't read well with the rest of the section, it's just one or two sentences thrown in at the end. It reads very poor; and in all instances it's off topic from the previous paragraph. Mainly talking about The 21 Century section and Rejuvenation in Beantown, in additive to the section in my post above.

Is Zdeno Chara's record breaking hardest slap shot really notable enough to include in the Boston Bruins article? It would be appropriate to include on Chara's article; but if you include this, why not include how Ray Bourque used to dominate in the accurate shot contest? If there was anything notable for the Bruins as an organization from the All-Star weekend it should be about how well all of the Bruins represented- Blake Wheeler with the Young Star MVP, Chara's slap shot, Savard coming in second in the elimination shootout, Thomas' performance in the ASG.

Again I'll wait a day or two for a response, before I begin editing the article. --Tsurettejr (talk) 13:07, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Go ahead and remove them, remember these articles are always in flux so some of these additions may have just never been noticed. Basically its a case of WP:SOFIXIT. -Djsasso (talk) 18:54, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, edit as you see fit. Mention of the Bruins' representatives at this years All-Star game is better suited to this season's page. In fact, since you seem to be showing an interest in improving Bruins articles of late, I imploree you to drop over to the current season page and consider lending a hand. I make no claims to being a particularly good writer and find myself rather unsatisfied with the bulk of the text I've contributed, but as I seem to be the only user doing more than updating results it's had to suffice. Alrin (talk) 03:37, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I've been busy lately and haven't got around to updating all of the Bruins related pages I was meaning to but things have been easing up so I'll start working on it over the next couple of days. I'll also try to contribute to the current season page and other Bruins related pages as soon as I can.Tsurettejr (talk) 21:26, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Uniform image

Is there anyway to alter the uniform image in the info box? I know I'm knit picking but the collar on the alternate uniform is inaccurate; they have a solid gold collar it isn't laced like the home and away. Tsurettejr (talk) 21:29, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Somebody should update the Alternate uniform image. This season (2016-17), bruins will wear the uniforms worn at the 2016 Winter Classic as the Alternate Uniforms. Here's the link as proof http://www.masslive.com/bruins/index.ssf/2016/10/boston_bruins_changing_third_jerseys_will_use_uniform_designed_for_2016_winter_classic_instead.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.234.61.222 (talk) 15:18, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Name of the team?

Shouldn't the first few lines of the article state why the team was named the Bruins? Did Massachusetts have the biggest population of Bruin in the world? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.60.225.196 (talk) 15:11, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't think they even have any, I think the original owner just liked bears. ;) -Djsasso (talk) 15:20, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

But to be serious it actually explains it a bit further down. "Adams directed Ross to come up with a nickname that would portray an untamed animal displaying speed, agility, and cunning. Ross came up with "Bruins", an Old English word used for brown bears in classic folk-tales. The team's bearlike nickname also went along with the team's original uniform colors of brown and yellow, which came from Adams' grocery chain, First National Stores." -Djsasso (talk) 15:39, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

I have an old set of hockey cards that the NHL released back in 1991 to coincide with the leagues 75th anniversary. It states that the team name came from Adam's secretary and that the name was inspired by an earlier Boston based team called the Boston Cubs. Take a look.

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3606/69174631.jpg

This contradicts Art Ross naming the team after bears in a classic folk tale.Giantdevilfish (talk) 17:09, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Relation to the Dutch word Bruin

When reading this article is seemed to me that Bruin is really a Dutch word. It means Brown in Dutch. I looked it up in the Merriam-Webster, and there is says it means Bear and is indeed derived from the Dutch word, which also stood for Brown Bear in Middle Dutch, as used for example in the Reynard_cycle story from the 15th century. I was wondering if there might be a link with earl Dutch settlement of the East Coast, for example New Amsterdam. RogerWilco 7 June 2011 — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdriaanRenting (talk • contribs) 06:51, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Deleted content

FYI - Someone deleted the main content for the 1960s-1970s. I will leave it to someone else to fix appropriately. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.245.173.248 (talk) 15:43, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Conference & Division championships

We've gotta use designations folks. The NHL recognized regular season Conference champions 1974-75 to 1980-81 & playoff Conference champions since 1981-82. GoodDay (talk) 17:19, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Uke Line / Horvath

I removed the Hungarian part of the Uke Line paragraph because I found a bit of a conflict. In this book, there's a primary source line that reads, "Together, we were the "Uke Line," since we all had someUkrainian blood in us. We were really clicking that season". While I have found a bunch of sources corroborating the Hungarian part, a slew of other ones also say he was a Uke too (or partially, whatever). "Bruins forwards John Bucyk, Bronco Horvath, and Vic Stasiuk were all of Ukrainian descent.", "The line earned its nickname because all three players were of Ukrainian decent", " fellow Ukrainian-Canadians Bronco Horvath and Vic Stasiuk.", "fellow Ukrainian- Canadians Vic Stasiuk and Bronco Horvath", " the Uke line (they were all of Ukrainian descent)", etc.--Львівське (говорити) 03:23, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

There seems to be no conflict, actually. It is perfectly possible that Horvarth could have both Ukranian and Hungarian ancestry. That being said, the removal was correct, as the Hungarian part is rather irrelevant to why they were called the Uke line. All that is relevant on this article is that the trio had Ukranian ancestry. Resolute 15:03, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Here it says that Horvath was ethnically Hungarian, but his parents emigrated from Ukranian territory: [1]. "Батьки Бронка були мадярами, однак походили з Карпаталії — так угорці називають Закарпаття." translates from Ukrainian to "Bronco's parents were Hungarian, but originated from the Transcarpathians." Horvath is definitely a Hungarian name, not Ukrainian. Maxim_(talk) 15:28, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

The conflict is/was that some sources say Horvath was 100% Hungarian and 'just went along with it', and others that say he was partial.--Львівське (говорити) 17:28, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

• Well ... it may be more accurate to say something like "The line of Bucyk, Horvath and Stasiuk was named the "Uke Line" because they were all believed to be of Ukrainian descent." Certainly all contemporaneous accounts say so. Ravenswing 16:16, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Other platforms

I re-added the "other platforms" portion because the Bruins feature their info outside of television. Television has been the historical or traditional medium but with such things as NetFlix and Hulu, traditional TV (cable) is no longer the sole route that sports is obtained. The Bruins club has continued to build onto their mobile app to capture this demographic. CaribDigita (talk) 20:26, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Sure, but there is nothing particularly special about the Bruins using Facebook and Twitter or having smartphone apps. Everyone does this. What makes the Bruins' implementation notable? You may as well note that the Bruins have a website. Resolute 20:43, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Not all teams have such things. As a matter a fact based on your statement, about the fact that the Bruins *do* have a website I'll point out that the website *is* part of the article. "External links" CaribDigita (talk) 23:18, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

It is not notable to the team. All teams do have such things. What you are pointing out is purely trivial at best and spam at worst. A link to the official website is a far cry from trying to talk about the fact a team is on facebook and has apps for your phone. The Bruins would need to do something particularly notable with the medium for it to make it onto the article, and they certainly don't do anything most other sports teams do. -DJSasso (talk) 11:31, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

How is it a far cry? The team is but *one* aspect of the overall Bruins franchise. The TV broadcast rights is but another. The franchise not only includes the website, it also includes their online tools, their mobile tools with rosters, scores, and other outreach properties. Beyond mere TV (old media) they also operate in this new media. These new mediums parallel their historical television approach. Other persons like myself who are ditching 'cable' television overall utilise these new mediums rather than the old and the Bruins provide these mediums for us. It is a part of their outreach.

Beyond all this, this also places the entire idea that Wikipedia is *not* only for desktop computers on its head. Several months back, the mobile project(s) on Wikipedia held a poll (by banner) which stated that the intention of WikiMedia Foundation was to focus Wikipedia on including links relevent for mobile phone devices besides just desktop computers to articles. The idea was that was the direction things were going in future, not to mention that around the world, this was how many people accessed Wikipedia. The poll asked about how to make Wikipedia more Mobile access friendly. CaribDigita (talk) 15:18, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

All of that is fine and dandy, but it doesn't make it notable. We require it to be notable for inclusion. You created an entire section on a very very minor aspect of the franchise on page about a nearly 100 year old franchise. It is what is known as undue weight, besides the fact that it really is trivial. Linking to the twitter and facebook accounts in the external links section would be fine, but writing a big section about it is complete overkill. -DJSasso (talk) 16:02, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Actually to be fair I created a mere sub-section of broadcasting and media It only comprises 4 sentences covering the Bruins: video, mobile phone properties, online, and social outreach. Plus independent ref covering the Bruins franchies' outreach known as "Digital Entertainment Network (DEN)" There's only a single section in the entire article longer. The managers" and that's because it is better suited as a sub article due to the long length of the actual list. External links are better suited for the official link. In terms of 100 years old franchise mobile media, etc. has only been around under ~ 20 years. So that would be 20 years of new Bruins franchise technology all in the span of four sentences. The Bruins Media venture has also been covered in the Boston Globe[2] and other publications. [3], [4], [5]. I actually didn't even embellish the notability of it based on the Boston Globe article. such as:

• "Warren K. Zola, who teaches sports business and marketing at Boston College, said the Bruins network is unique - he knew of no other professional sports team that is bundling its online offerings in this way - and “an interesting evolution. Many teams, including the Celtics and the Red Sox, do a great job of using social and mobile media. But the Bruins network appears to build on that in a way that ensures that their efforts on all these platforms are working together.’’"
• "BostonBruins.com averages more than one million unique visitors per month and is ranked as the most trafficked National Hockey League team website in the United States."
• "The Bruins official Facebook page has more than 1.1 million “likes,’’ which (as of that date) ranks(ed) second overall among NHL teams, and generates 10 to 15 million impressions per month."

Nor used any of the Bruins' marketing jargon.

CaribDigita (talk) 23:59, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Ok, that helps a lot, thanks! Reading the first Globe article, I am starting to see where you were coming from, but I think you missed the mark a little. I challenged the addition because the content was basically "they have Twitter and Facebook", when the notable aspect is the Bruins Digital Entertainment Network. I would probably talk about that a little bit, with a note of how it incorporates Twitter, Facebook, mobile apps and other social media rather than simply listing off what the social media apps are. Resolute 13:43, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes Resolute makes a good point. I would agree with that as well. -DJSasso (talk) 13:45, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

I should have explained better. There's a fine line between just mentioning and marketing. I haven't got the prose just right. I recall reading it at one point and then not being able to find it until I really went digging and hunting for it. But think I didn't want to misquote, so I kept it simple didn't go into much of the marketing nuances of it. CaribDigita (talk) 17:40, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Black and Gold

Are the colors of the Boston Bruins notable for the disambiguation page Black and Gold? See also move proposal at Talk:Black and Gold (Sam Sparro song). In ictu oculi (talk) 18:35, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

I wouldn't think so, myself. It's an iconic phrase for Bruins' fans, but I expect you could say the same for many a sports team with similar colors. Setting up a precedent for slapping them on disambiguation pages also sets up a maintenance problem, in this day and age where sports teams change colors every time they want to soak the fanbase in purchasing a fresh set of memorabilia. Ravenswing 21:49, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Well an editor has deleted colors from disambiguation page again. In Google Books "Black and Gold" mainly refers to the Steelers and Bruins, readers who don't know which/both should be allowed to find them in my view. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:48, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

This needs to go back in because it's a great clip.

Well after almost 10 years of:

" The game's TV commentator remarked "they're going to pull that guy apart." O'Reilly, a future team captain, received an eight-game suspension for the brawl. TV Clip"

Someone called User:SantosPhillipCarlo decides on the August 1, 2016 to remove the link. No reason, just didn't like it.

It needs to go back into the Big Bad Bruins section where it has been for the past 10 years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.132.7.240 (talk) 22:08, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

The quote was removed by that editor but that section was expanded upon to include additional citations and content. The original clip was an external link and was presumably removed because as formatted it violated WP:EL. And that clip was only 53 seconds long, and was replaced by a longer version that captures more of the incident for context. The longer clip is there now as a reference (citation #15 in the article overall) and appears immediately following the line "while Kaptain was sentenced to six months in prison". This longer version includes the 53 second long clip that made up the removed one.Echoedmyron (talk) 22:23, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Boston_Bruins#Team_captains

Just as a head's up, I found this startling information while doing the upgrade on the Bill Cowley article to B-status. This is actually solid stuff, and it's backed up by clips of contemporary Boston Globe and other newspaper articles, as well as photographs: Bobby Bauer wearing the "C" on his jersey is in the 1947 team portrait, for crying out loud.

Why the Bruins organization refuses to acknowledge plain historical fact we don't know, except that as longstanding Project members know, official NHL and team sources are both crappy historians and revisionists (sorry, the original Canadiens franchise DOES run through the Haileybury Comets), and no one wants to admit that they've collectively fucked up for the better part of a century. Ravenswing 18:08, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2023

Add A Their Legendary, amazing first round exit in the lore section Metlos34 (talk) 02:30, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Actualcpscm (talk) 10:25, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Infobox link incorrect

The link at the top of the infobox is connected to the wrong article. If you click on the "2023-24 Boston Bruins season" link, it sends you to the "2023-24 NHL season" article instead. I checked the similar infobox links for several other NHL teams (Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Toronto and Vegas) and those links are all correct. I don't know how to fix this.Bunkyray5 (talk) 20:13, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

 Already done CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} (please mention me on reply) 01:24, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Incorrect uniforms and logos?

They're using the serifed version of the simplified spoked-b used before the reebok days for the rest of the season, and none of the uniforms listed on the page. PikaBoop (talk) 10:01, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Centennial Logo as Primary

Given that the team has actually changed their logo to the centennial design, I feel like it would be better served as the infobox logo, given that all official graphics this season are actually using that logo set. Even if it is going to change next season, it is their logo for this season, and would be best served reflecting that. Picmpl (talk) 03:19, 22 January 2024 (UTC)