Talk:Book of hours of Joan of France

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The result was: promoted by Amkgp (talk) 13:15, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

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Miniature from the book of hours of Joan of France

• ... that the book of hours of Joan of France (pictured) was owned by two of the wives of "the scourge of the English"? Source: Here, under the heading "Historique de la conservation", where the relation to John II, Duke of Bourbon, aka the scourge of the English, is described (in French)
  • ALT1:... that the book of hours of Joan of France (pictured) could be bought by the national library of France thanks to private donations? Source: Here (in French)

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Created by Yakikaki (talk). Self-nominated at 15:30, 22 December 2020 (UTC).

• Hi Yakikaki, article is looking really good but I had a few stylistic queries:

• "The book of hours was made in the middle of the 16th century." is presumably a typo for "15th century"?
• "For some reason it would then have been adjusted and personalised for Joan of France." doesn't read well for me, it can maybe be omitted or altered
• "Following her death in 1887, the fate of the book for the following centuries is unknown", presumably should be "1487"?
• "and following wide public support the library could buy the book" would be better as "following wide public support the library bought the book" or similar, "could" only implies that it was possible to purchase the book, not that it actually happened
• "It is since then part of the library collections and classified as a national treasure of France" would be better as "Since then it has formed part of the library collection and has been classified as a national treasure of France"
• would marginalia be a good link from "marginal decorations"?

With regards ALT0 "scourge of the English" does not appear in the article. ALT1 would benefit from "could" being changed, as it was actually bought. I'll watch this page so will come back to complete the review later. The image is excellent! - Dumelow (talk) 12:29, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Dumelow, thanks for your review! Ah, yes – those stylistic mishaps are the result of pure carelessness from my side. I've tried to fix them; thanks for taking the time to point them out to me. Regarding marginalia, I am a bit unsure; the way I've understood the word is that it usually is used to describe e.g. notes or annotations, something jotted down rather than this kind of very deliberately made decoration? But as you've guessed by now, English isn't my first language so please let me know if it's more suitable; in any case I've changed that line to "decorations in the margins" for the moment. As for ALT0 I'm not entirely comfortable with it at all, to be honest. The only place I see where John II of Bourbon is referred to as "the scourge of the English" is in the Wikipedia article about him, supported by an inline citation referring to a 19th-century book. Hm, I'm not totally convinced (though it would be nice for the dramatic effect). Lets strike out ALT0 and change ALT1 to ALT2: ... that the national library of France was able to buy the book of hours of Joan of France (pictured) thanks to private donations?

What do you think? Best, Yakikaki (talk) 13:36, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Yakikaki, your English is a damn-sight better than my French anyway! All changes are good, I had the same thoughts as you about marginalia but the article seemed to suggest that illustrations in margins are also known by this, no big deal for me anyway. Article created 22 December; article exceeds minimum length; article is cited inline throughout to reliable sources; all sources are French so presumably no overly close paraphrasing from these; ALT2 is mentioned in the article and backed up by the source; image is excellent and public domain; QPQ carried out. Looks good to me - Dumelow (talk) 14:24, 23 December 2020 (UTC)