Talk:Bombing of Rome in World War II

Rome, not an open city?

The article now implies that Rome was not an open city, saying " Pope Pius XII unsuccessfully attempted to get Rome declared an open city ...". Eventually Rome was declared an open city, - see also: Rome, Open City. Ekem 19:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

clarified with ref. Ekem 17:13, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Bombing of the Vatican merged

There are substantial gains in context and reduced repetition from covering these in the same article. In the unlikely event that this article becomes extremely long, this may be considered as a potential sub-article. As it is, there is more than enough context at Vatican City during World War II and all of the (rather terse) information that we have about the Vatican City bombings is at a level of detail that would be appropriate even in an article about the Rome bombings as a whole. Savidan 23:06, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Who Dropped the 5 Bombs in the Vatican

This article stated that it was the British in an accidental bombing, but another article said that it was the Italians who did it with the belief that the Vatican Radio was sending messages to the Allies. Which is it? 96.57.184.26 (talk) 02:40, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Source of May Bombing information?

In most sources (in English) on the WWII bombing of Rome, the July 19 bombing of San Lorenzo is listed as the first bombing of Rome. What is the source of the information about a bombing in May? Soggiornoselvaggio (talk) 19:42, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

I have a similar question. If there was a bombing in May then the one in July was not the first. Which is it? Rmrwiki (talk) 03:07, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Controversial

The article affirms that "The first bombardment occurred on July 19, 1943 and was carried out by 500 .." later the same article affirms that "On July 19, 1943, Rome was bombed again, more heavily, by 521 Allied planes..."

What is the date of the very first bombing? And where was the striking airforce based, in Britain, Africa or Sicily? By Lawrence from Milano Italy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.228.136.198 (talk) 07:59, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Civilian casualties figure

In the quick facts box of the article there is a 40000 civilian casualties number that is not sourced and not referenced anywhere else in the article. It seems like it would be essential that this number be sourced, especially since it looks quite disproportionate in comparison with the apparent scale of the bombing campaign itself. Does anyone have any idea about where this number came from, a source, or a possible replacement? Choucas Bleu (talk) 15:06, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

The Italian Wiki gives a source for a much lower number of casualities (719). Sadly, I have no access, nor do I speak Italian, so I can't verify that. "Allied Air Attacks and Civilian Harm in Italy, 1940–1945." Bombing among Friends, London (2023) by Matthew Evangelista gives "as many as two or three thousand dead". The amount of the casualities amongst the attackers also seems extremely off to me.Iluzalsipal (talk) 19:27, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

I think for now this figure should absolutely be removed Aliy Dawut (talk) 04:42, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

I agree with both of you, this figure is unsourced and highly disproportionate for the scale of the campaign, I have no idea why this is still sitting in the infobox, it does not belong there. Aliy Dawut (talk) 04:42, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Merge proposal of Bombing of the Vatican

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

To merge the Vatican article into the article for Rome, given their close association and overlapping context and content. Klbrain (talk) 16:18, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

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I see that the same merge was proposed more than 13 years ago but was not responded to, so I figured starting a new discussion here could be helpful.

The reason are in essence the same: both pages are deeply interconnected, with the context of the two bombing events on the Vatican so intertwined with the bombing of Rome that most of the context is already on this page. Merging would also allow for some cleaning-up of the in my opinion currently quite bloated Bombing of the Vatican content, while bringing some of its additional context into the destination page. Choucas Bleu (talk) 15:36, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. The Vatican one could definitely use some trimming, and makes more sense as a section of the Rome one. Smdjcl (talk) 14:17, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

• Merge for the same reason posted just above my reply. It seems unnecessary and cluttered as is.

Aliy Dawut (talk) 20:03, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

  Y Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 16:18, 8 August 2024 (UTC)