Talk:Bomba (tribe)

Article on Bomba Dynasty may be real

Article on Bomba Dynasty may be real. I saw this article being created. There is another article that it links to called Sultan Muzaffar Khan which is a stub. I found a reference for this stub at Mir-át-i Mas'údi which I will introduce for it. I am a Recent Changes Patrol editor too (please see my userpage if you have doubts. Cheers, Ronbo76 07:04, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

My understanding of this topic is very limited. This dynasty supposedly existed and is referenced by the wikilink I supplied you. I just editted the article to the one you tagged and added a bio tag to it. The bio tag should trigger some bots to search for a project that supports this info. As an American, I do not know much about it but heard about it due to time spent in Turkey and Saudi Arabia. I am looking for some Bomba Dynasty references now. Ronbo76 07:18, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

These comments

These comments come from another user's talkpage. This article may fill in some region's history. Ronbo76 07:20, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Possible sources

• Remains of the day It mentions the Bomba Dynasty directly in first paragraph. Ronbo76 07:31, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I have done an exhaustive search and the above reference is the only mention of the Bomba Dynasty I can find. This article should also be a stub article like the one it is linked to. Ronbo76 07:55, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Sources coming from Rajpoots

Rajpoots may provide more material. I am past my bedtime. Rajpoots appears in several articles like Sahlon and is part of the caste system in Pakistan. Caste is misspelled as cast in the article. Language difficulties may play a factor in this article. Ronbo76 08:04, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

• Chohan Rajpoots, Delhi Info about the Rajpoots caste. Ronbo76 08:06, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Another misspell?

Asad Bashir could also be Assad which seems to be its more common spelling. Ronbo76 08:15, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Bomba edits by intothefire

The article deals specifically with the Bomba dynasty of Kashmir, and not another tribe of Bambas. They are certainly another people as this tribe is extremely small and well known in the Kashmir region in simply one district where they held sway with the Khakhas.

I have removed the info regarding an alleged Khatri tribe as a seperate article for these people would suffice as they are most certainly not the same people and neither is there any evidence to suggest this, that too after a year of researching this small but renowned tribe. If the evidence is there to link both these tribes, I would like to see this verifiable reference before this can be added to the article. --Raja 20:26, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok Supersaiyan no problem , I created a seperate article for the Bhambas . Any way I had not suggested in my post that the Pujabi Sikh and Hindu Bhambas were or were not related to the Bombas .

On the matter of verifiable reference .....the largest database on caste , lineage among Hindus is available with what we call Pandas ....a class of priests who are normally found at pilgrim sites . A pilgrim wanting to record his or her visit to these places signs his or her name in his family pandas ..bai -khata ...most often these records run hundreds of years . I doubt if wikipedia would call these records a verifiable sources .

In Kashmir for instance is a temple town called Mutton .The Mutton temple used to have a large no of Kashmiri Pundit pandas with their records . Their entire library of ancient records was burnt down by terrorists some years back ... !!

The same mindset is at play in Mecca where they have been destroying tangible heritage structures from the time of the Prophet .Your or others aggressive deletion of my posts are not upsetting to me because ..my posts are invariably the outcome of prior homework or reading or research ...although I am not good at the nit picking of wikipedia rules .Well the deletions will work on the main page but the record of my posts remains ...which is really as good for others really interested to go deeper into any topic . Would be better if we cooperate ..we have no reason really to to be adverserial  !!

Cheers Intothefire 06:23, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Brother, believe me I bare no animosity towards you and apologise if you feel that from me. It's just I know of this dynasty well and felt that the Khatri side was being confused here. Im glad you have set up a seperate article in view of this. Thank you. You are 100% correct rgarding Holy Places being destroyed, I agree the Pundit records may have also gone this way. But truly they cant be used as verifiable published records here in wiki. I know, because if I used the Pundit records of my clan, my articles would be enormous and causing huge uproar from many communities about the claims of our Khandaani Bhaats etc lol. --Raja 15:27, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Raja - More denial - the pretext of spelling this time to remove link to the Bhamba page ...now who decides spelling in Pakistan ?? hope not the army _already has lots on its hands ?? Cheers Intothefire 13:17, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Far from it. I request you to provide me ONE source which cites the spelling as you tried to put it. If it available, then provide it. The removal of the link is simple, it bares NO relation to this dynasty. If it does, then prove it. You cant use phronetics to join two completely different tribes here! If you can't prove it, it cannot be allowed on an encyclopedic page. Stick to the topic instead of your prejudiced politics.--Raja 13:30, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Refrenced content removed from this article by vandals

Vandal deletion of 211.125.138.168 25th June 2009] (talk)

“ The Bombas are the Brahmans of the lower category in Kashmir being converted to Islam ”

Intothefire (talk) 15:34, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

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M. A. Stein and Ghulām Muhyiʼd Dīn Sūfī

Sir Stein in his "Kalhaṇa's Rājataraṅgiṇī – A Chronicle of the Kings of Kaśmīr", 2 vols. London, A. Constable & Co. Ltd, states that the Rajas of Karnav belonged to the Bomba clan. He termed them be originally Khas. . Ghulām Muhyiʼd Dīn Sūfī - 1949 writes: ".. the revolt of Raja, Muzaffar Khan Bamba in 1124 a.h. (1713 A.C.), and his taking possession of Darava and Karnava (modern Karnah) .." Their history thus goes back several centuries. The title "Raja" suggest a descent from local rulers like the Rajputs. Why is a single 1905 document in a library more reliable than the older sources of information? Malaiya (talk) 18:48, 5 December 2018 (UTC)