Talk:Bogie exchange

Where is the Russian/Finnish bogie exchange point? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ? (talk • contribs) 29 June

There is no bogie exchange point between Russia/Finland, they have the same railgauge. As it is written in the article Finland has an exchange point in Turku port where the rail ferries from Germany/Sweden arrive.--BIL (talk) 20:28, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

The would be a bogie exchange at Haparanda, Sweden on the Finnish border. Tabletop (talk) 12:45, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

The Poland-Byelorussia border

Does anybody know the exact details of the bogie exchange mechanism at this garage? It seems that despite what looks like two parallel sets of rails, the train both enters and leaves the garage on the inner rails. So what is the purpose behind what looks like the outer rails? Does anybody know the answer to this? A similar state of affairs exists at the Chinese- Mongolian border.

This article needs to go into more details on the mechanisms. David Tombe (talk) 20:18, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

The extra rails might be used to wheel in and out the bogies of the other gauge. Further away there would be sidings to store the bogies. Alternately, the bogies would be moved in and out by cranes. Tabletop (talk) 12:45, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Tabletop, Somebody has kindly supplied photographs below. These would seem to suggest, as expected, that there is only a single track where the bogie exchange takes place. The difference between five feet and four feet eight and a half inches is not enough to allow an inner and an outer track. The picture of the track at Brest on the Poland/Byelorussia border shows what might have been mistaken for an inner track.

The mystery still remains regarding what looked like two tracks inside each other at the main platform at the Chinese station on the Mongolian border.

And having said all that, I've just noticed that there is a photo in the main article which distinctly shows two sets of track inside each other at the Romanaian/Ukrainian border. [1] David Tombe (talk) 12:01, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Not Wikipedia quality, but in case it helps. In 2000, I took train from St. Petersburg to Warsaw and transited about 30 miles through Belarus. Although memory sketchy, with only 30 miles in Belarus, appears it was probably through Hrodna (no stop there), rather than Brest, and I don't recall needing documentation for Latvia and Lithuania or seeing Vilnius, so a little confused (although Latvia and Lithuania may not have required much for a USA citizen). What I recall of gauge change was that passenger cars were put on some mounts and the cars decoupled from their wheels. In my cabin, at the rear of the car, workers removed a plate from the floor to extract a one foot to one and a half foot bolt of roughly two inch diameter. I believe one bolt forward and one aft. They lifted many cars at a time, a minimum of 6 and possibly all 20 cars with more capacity than needed for our train. The wheels were rolled out and new ones rolled in, I believe using a dual gauge track accompanied by an engine switch. Trying to contribute something to this topic, but my memory focuses on the Belarussian officials pointing AK-47's at my chest, since they were disappointed my transit visa was in order and I didn't need to pay them a bribe (unusual for an American). Iowajason (talk) 22:50, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

The backgauge of the wheelsets is 1360mm for standard gauge and about 1445mm for the russian gauge. It means inner 2 rails just acting support the backgauge of standard gauge wheels,and standard gauge wheels stand on the russian gauge outer rails in the bogie exchange garage. So,Inner rails gauge is not 1435mm,but 1360mm or less.user:tadzu16:20,21 April 2019(JST)

Gallery

Not fully translated.

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  Bogie exchange in Brest (Belarus):.The bogie under the coach will be exchanged.
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  Bogie exchange in Ussurijsk (Russia) on the Chinese Border - with men pushing bogie out of the way.
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  Bogie exchange in Brest (Belarus): Exchange of the coupling.

Transfer times

Bogie exchange transfer times at the three stations listed seem more different than they ought to be. Tabletop (talk) 10:02, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

• Looking at 19th century exchange systems in the era when the Erie was 6' gauge and the US south was full of 5' gauge lines, as well as 3' gauge lines, I see reports of similar variation (and evidence that the best times really haven't changed much). The best sources from that era describe some hoists that could lift entire blocks of cars, while other lines (notably the well-documented East Broad Top in the early 20th century) could only host one end of each car at a time. I've added some of those citations. Douglas W. Jones (talk) 03:31, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Error in diagram

The russian gauge of 1524 is 5' 0" NOT 4 ft 8.5". Tabletop (talk) 01:44, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Spain

I think this is misleading, passenger trains use variable gauge axles, I am not aware of bogey exchange being used. I'm not sure about goods trains, but Eddie Stobart's trains transfer their containers from train to train. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.98.135.235 (talk) 22:08, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Bogie exchange is used for freight wagons and was used for passenger trains prior to variable gauge axles. Peter Horn User talk 03:11, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Variable gauge axles are used for passenger trains and container transfer or axle exchange for freight, see https://www.transfesa.com/rail-spain-en/product_services/core_products_services/auxiliary_rail_services/axle_change.html. I could find no evidence for bogie exchange on the Web. Chris.Bristol (talk) 22:18, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

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Coupler exchange

User:Tadzu "invented" a new procedure called "coupler exchange", see a previous revision of Bogie exchange#China. Well, "good luck", because that is all but impossible. What is possible is a bogie exchange on diesel electric locomotives or electric locomotives. As a matter of fact, during the time that I worked for MLW we supplied some locomotives to the Ferrocarril Central Andino with a set of trucks for 1,435 mm (4 ft 8+1⁄2 in) standard gauge and 914 mm (3 ft). Similarly we supplied some locomotives to the Tunisian Railways with a set trucks for 1,435 mm (4 ft 8+1⁄2 in) and 1,000 mm (3 ft 3+3⁄8 in) metre gauge. In this case a set of trucks for 1,520 mm (4 ft 11+27⁄32 in) and a set of trucks for 1,435 mm (4 ft 8+1⁄2 in) would be needed. Any capable locomotive manufacturer can do this when called upon. What may also be possible to design an adapter between the Janney and the SA-3 couplers if this does not already exists. Peter Horn User talk 22:09, 20 April 2019 (UTC) Peter Horn User talk 16:11, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

User:Peter Horn It was about 25 years ago when I knew the coupler exchange on the russo-sino border,by Japanese railway magazine("Tetsudo-jornal"). So,now I try search photos russian coach coupler exchanging ,then I find russian coach fitted AAR(for china)couplerand chinese coaches for International trains fitted the coupler for russia and china. Both photos from Japanese travellers blogs. This "China railway RW/YW18-19 coaches are independent group from domestic ones, and 18/19series coaches are pulled by locomotives both countries. Exchanged couplers are only the train's outer ends(acting barrier vehicle),inner ones are SA-3 through the running. Both coutries have a few 5ft gauge and standard gauge locomotive for the bogie exchange yards,5ft-SA3 and 4'8.5"-AAR.Casting coupler adoptor exists,but this is for temporary usage.In Japan,such adoptor using regulated within 70 km/h. Both coupler machanisim is quite different(no compatibility) and their height is too closly(chinese AAR 850-890mm,russian SA-3 1060mm),so Dual coupling system constitution is incapable.EU-Russian border,screw coupling exchange to SA3,in spite of unilink exists.user:tadzu15:28,21 April 2019(JST)

Full name of Mr. Breidsprecher

Bogie exchange#Germany Could someone find the full name of Mr. Breidsprecher? Peter Horn User talk 14:33, 12 August 2021 (UTC) Peter Horn User talk 16:13, 12 August 2021 (UTC)