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The third sentence of the first paragraph under the heading Late 1968 currently reads "An influx of college students joined the group, which had consisted chiefly of "brothers off the block"." I think it should be slightly changed for clarification and ease of reading to An influx of college students joined the group, which had previously consisted chiefly of "brothers off the block".

The second full paragraph under Late 1968 includes the publishing of the Ten Point Program. Earlier in the article it is stated that the Ten Point Program was first published in 1967. Therefore I'm not sure why it is mentioned again under the heading Late 1968.

The second full paragraph under Late 1968 also states that the BPP newspaper was "under the editorial leadership of Eldridge Cleaver". The section Late 1978 also states that Clever was in jail from "April to mid-June 1968". Additionally the section states that Cleaver flees the US in "late September 1968". This would leave January, February, March, July, and August of 1968 when he was in the US and not in jail. Was he able to exert significant influence on the number of BPP newspapers during either the three month period at the beginning of 1968 or the two month period during the later part of 1968? I am not trying to disagree with the statement in the article, but I think it could use some clarification.

The second sentence of the fifth paragraph under the section Women and womanism states "From 1968 to the end of its publication in 1982, the head editors of the Black Panther Party newspaper were all women.[89]:5" This statement seems like it may be in conflict with the statement about Cleaver's "editorial leadership". If it is not a conflicting statement, than either or both of the terms "editorial leadership" and "head editors" should be elaborated to show how their definitions differ. ScroatScroat (talk) 18:50, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Peer Review

I would suggest adding more about Malcolm X and his ideological impact on the original founders of the Black Panthers. Some of the subsections could use some more information in them. For example, I am thinking that the Betty Van Patter and Elaine Brown sections could use some elaboration e.g., more specific examples... not sure if the Women and Black Panthers page is linked, but you might consider linking it... I would also double check some of the dates as the talk page seems to indicate some inconsistencies in certain dates. You might also consider adding more information about the demise of the party, I think that section could be beefed up. One last note, the transition from the organization as non-violent to violent could be made more clear. I don't believe the founders intended for it to be violent, so how this change of course with the organization occurred could be more explicit and clearer. Kelmalc (talk) 22:31, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

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who wrote this article, a few professors said it was 95% white people

I thought it was a little racist to say that white people have no prospective so I would like to know from what prospective this was written — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.189.68.3 (talk) 04:50, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Black Panthers as a Black Nationalist organization

The descriptor in the opening sentence that labels the Black Panthers as a Black Nationalist organization is a little misleading. In the body of the article, there is no information about how the Black Panthers were a black nationalist organization outside of this line:

"Newton and Seale first met in 1962 when they were both students at Merritt College. They joined Donald Warden’s Afro-American Association, where they read widely, debated, and organized in an emergent black nationalist tradition inspired by Malcolm X and others."

The next mention of black nationalism is as follows:

"Curtis Austin states that by late 1968, Black Panther Party ideology had evolved to the point where they began to reject black nationalism and became more a 'revolutionary internationalist movement.'"

In the rest of the article, the use of the term 'black nationalist' is in relation to the FBI's COINTELPRO program. J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI were hardly impartial, and their sweeping label of "black nationalist hate groups" should not be regarded as an accurate description of the BPP. Since I've made this argument without reply before, I'm going to remove 'black nationalist' from the introduction. If anyone is opposed to this, I'd be happy to discuss it further.

Rockandrollherold (talk) 06:36, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

I agree with you. Labeling the Black Panther Party as Black nationalists without the context of how, is very misleading. There are many people who believe the Party was about black people wanting single themselves out to be above and better than every other race. The black panther party spoke about being independent as black people because they simply could not exist as equals to white people in an environment built to keep them down. No matter what they would always be second class citizens and that’s why they felt they needed to be able to make choices for themselves by having black people hold places of power. Labeling them without context equates them with an anti-white rhetoric which just furthers misconceptions of the party and allows other to invalidate their efforts and message. Black nationalism is about creating a common identity for a people whose progression, was and still has been, thwarted for so long. It was important for black people do be able to talk about themselves outside the context of whiteness.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Collegegirlcurls6 (talk • contribs) 23:15, 17 January 2018 (UTC) 

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Hugh Pearson's criticisms

So to dispute some of the reversions of my editing and to discuss the issue in general:

• I can see discrediting my citation of Kirkus Review as poor sourcing (please excuse my dear laziness). On the other hand, while I can see the issue with it being a third party source, is LA Times really poor sourcing for this article as well? If someone were to cite the book in question directly (see below), would it still be unfitting to cite the Times' review of it as well?
• With the above said, does anybody have Hugh Pearson's book? (Shadow of the Panther: Huey Newton and the Price of Black Power in America) I feel citing it would provide valuable contributions to this article.
• Furthermore, given that he was already referenced in this article, may we at least re-include his criticism I cited from his letter he wrote to the New York Times three years after publishing the book? (I don't suppose anyone here would classify that as poor sourcing?)

Cheers. DrPepper47 (talk) 05:05, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

In general, relying on a book review instead of the book itself is not good sourcing. Relying on a book review from Publishers Weekly or Kirkus Reviews is downright awful. If you read something interesting in a book review, see whether portions of the book are accessible through Google Books or Amazon.com if you can't get to the library.

I bought a copy of Pearson's book when it was published, but I've moved several times since then and I don't know whether I still have it or gave it away, and if I have it I don't know where it is. (In my last house, I had a large library. In my present house, my books are in three smaller rooms and some are still unpacked.)

Pearson's letter to the editor didn't say anything of note. It was cited in this article years ago as evidence that "many crtitics" blamed the Panthers for the rise of gang violence, but it says nothing of the sort. Whatever opinions he expressed in a letter to the editor should be attributed to him per WP:RSOPINION. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 02:50, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Plagiarism on this article?

It seems the information here (before my editing) regarding Shadow of the Panther: Huey Newton and the Price of Black Power in America may have been plagiarized from this source. 1) Is this source Great African-American men in America's History vol I on google books reliable? 2) If so, may we re-introduce that material on the condition that we amend it to fit Wikipedia's copyright policy? 3) Can anyone else here identify any other parts of this article being copied, rather than cited professionally, from other sources?

Cheers. DrPepper47 (talk) 05:05, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Great African-American Men in America History was published by Lulu Press, a vanity press, which means it isn't a reliable source. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 02:53, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Black Panther Party Liberation Schools

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Your article says fled because of the trial of murdering a 18yo sex worker

He stood trial and it was a mistrial. And she was 17. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1979/03/25/mistrial-declared-in-newton-murder-case/b6408217-1cf0-4c67-a425-9d25b6ac600f/?utm_term=.377aff68b425 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.116.244.88 (talk) 00:58, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Black nationalist? Not according to the sources cited

According to the online précis of Red Black and Green: Black Nationalism in the United States cited as the first source, "although the Black Panthers are at odds with some aspects of black nationalist ideology, especially cultural nationalism, they have embraced some of the principles of cultural nationalism, particularly those of the Afro-American student groups. Although the nationalism of the Black Panther party differs sharply from that of some of the other contemporary black nationalist groups, it is difficult to see how one could fail to acknowledge its preeminence as the leading revolutionary black nationalist group in the United States at the present time." (written in 1976, when the BPP was still active)

If an author has to say, in effect, the BPP say they're not black nationalists, and they're sharply different from other black nationalists, but they're really black nationalists, it raises big WP:REDFLAG issues. Perhaps it needs to be attributed as Alphonso Pinkney's opinion, but it certainly shouldn't be the main description of the organization in the opening sentence.

The second source, Encyclopedia of Race and Ethnic Studies, says "Black Panthers, unlike other black nationalists, did not explicitly call for a black nation." They didn't implicitly call for a black nation either. In fact, they didn't call for a black nation at all. If the BPP was pro-black but—"unlike other black nationalists"—didn't call for a black nation, maybe that's because they weren't black nationalists. Except for that negative construction, I don't see the source describing the BPP as black nationalist.

Sorry, but asserting that the BPP was a black nationalist organization is a WP:REDFLAG assertion that doesn't get slipped into the opening sentence. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 03:39, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

What descriptor do you suggest? Because the description I found when I returned here was the meaningless "political organization." And the person before me had deleted "revolutionary socialist organization."

Sincere apologies for most of my deletions BTW, they were the result of a sloppy mobile edit. -GPRamirez5 (talk) 04:02, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

No problem. I edit on my phone under my alternate ID MShabazz, and I know things don't always work as planned.

I'm not sure what the best description is. Maybe we should quote Public Enemy: "a pro-Black radical mix".

Perhaps User:Hux, who removed "revolutionary socialist" (for what seem to be good reasons), can offer some thoughts. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 04:35, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 March 2018

government oppression was not the inception of the BPP it was the government obsession to not allow armed black man to patrol and harass the polices that infuse and ignited the patrols 97.104.144.147 (talk) 10:11, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:01, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Merging Women of Black Panther Party into this one

I would like to move cited sections of Women_in_the_Black_Panther_Party into Black_Panther_Party#Woman_and_womanism. There is some overlap. This topic in general could use some work, and would benefit from the eyes of all Black Panther Party editors. Shushugah (talk) 14:07, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

See also the longer discussion, also on balance supporting the merge, at Talk:Black Panther Party/Archive 3#Proposed merge with Women in the Black Panther Party. Klbrain (talk) 21:04, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

  Y Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 20:23, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2019

DayElk (talk) 19:25, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

hola

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. aboideau^talk 19:35, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 March 2019

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Semi-protected edit request on 18 April 2019

Please add more information about the Black Panthers' time in Cuba and Algiers. A lot of the material can be found in Out of Oakland by Sean L. Malloy.

Please change the author of Out of Oakland in the 'Further reading' section to 'Malloy, Stephen' to 'Malloy, Sean L.' Octobermarin (talk) 08:27, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

The author change is  Done, but the rest is  Not done. Edit requests are requests to make precise edits. If you have more general suggestions, you can open a talk page section (or repurpose this one) to discuss the issue. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 13:32, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Juche

The black panther party was additionally influenced by the Juche Idea of Kim Il Sung, leader of the DPRK. Therefore, "Juche" should be included within the ideology section of this article. source: https://jucheireland.wordpress.com/2018/09/13/the-importance-of-international-solidarity-dprk-and-the-black-panther-party/ 2601:648:8800:6371:75FB:8F0F:8CCD:63A6 (talk) 22:01, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Izno (talk) 01:18, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

There are articles on the BPP's interactions with the DPRK, such as this, but I think indicating Juche as part of the party's ideology would be inaccurate. Interest in Juche seemed largely confined to Eldridge Cleaver. Around the time he was touting Juche, Huey Newton was espousing his own ideology of Intercommunalism, and both men ended up feuding with each other over the direction of the party. --Ismail (talk) 01:45, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 May 2019

Change: And in 1967, the Mulford Act was enacted by then California governor Ronald Reagan, which put into effect strict gun laws that would stripped legal firearm from not only Black Panther members but black citizens from carrying firearm weapons in public.

To: And in 1967, the Mulford Act was enacted by then California governor Ronald Reagan, which put into effect strict gun laws that would strip legal firearms from not only Black Panther members but black citizens from carrying firearm weapons in public. 87.77.157.136 (talk) 20:02, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done I changed "stripped" to "strip" and "firearm" to "firearms". I also fixed the sentence so it makes more sense: "And in 1967, the Mulford Act was enacted by then California governor Ronald Reagan, which put into effect strict gun laws that would not only strip legal firearms from Black Panther members but prevent any black citizens from carrying firearm weapons in public." Last time I checked, most Black Panthers were black citizens.

I still think the sentence is wrong, but I don't know enough about California or the Mulford Act. First, I doubt that the governor of California can enact a law. I have a feeling that Reagan signed an act passed by the California legislature. Second, I doubt that the law barred only black people from carrying firearms in public. I have a feeling that it outlawed all firearms from being carried in public. Somebody who knows more about the subject should fix the text. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 02:29, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Dubious statements in lead section

As I wrote in the preceding section on this page, I doubt that the sentence in the lead section about the Mulford Act is correct as written. The sentence states: "And in 1967, the Mulford Act was enacted by then California governor Ronald Reagan, which put into effect strict gun laws that would not only strip legal firearms from Black Panther members but prevent any black citizens from carrying firearm weapons in public."

First, I doubt that the governor of California can enact a law. I have a feeling that Reagan signed an act passed by the California legislature. Second, I doubt that the law barred only black people from carrying firearms in public. I have a feeling that it outlawed all firearms from being carried in public. Can anybody shed some light on the subject? — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 02:32, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Why not "Murder" of Fred Hampton and Mark Clark?

At the moment, it's 1.6.4 Killing of Fred Hampton and Mark Clark.

The killing was later judged to be unlawful. CLML427 (talk) 20:34, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

There still seems to be controversy here, even on the page for [Fred Hampton]. Dabrams13 (talk) 13:43, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 September 2019

The term "blacks" to describe black individuals is archaic and certainly should not be in an article about the Black Panther Party - please amend in all cases. 86.141.136.140 (talk) 13:26, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

 Not done. I believe this is still pretty standard; in any case, this should be discussed before making such an edit request. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 15:21, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

RFC at Fred Hampton page

There is an Request for Comment at the Fred Hampton article which may interest folks at this page. You are invited to participate! GPRamirez5 (talk) 18:49, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Double murder? As if life wasn't hard enough as it is.

Re Bobby Hutton, the first para gives April 6. as the date of the event, or at least the car ride, while para 2 gives April 7. Entirely possible, if it was an event taking place from, say, the evening of the 6. to the morning of the 7., but it still reads a little confusing; like, was Bobby Hutton killed two days in a row? Probably not, but that is hard to read out of the article the way it is formulated now. T 85.166.160.249 (talk) 01:18, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

significant viewpoints tag

Hi! I noticed that this page has a significant viewpoints tag from July 2016. I looked back at the talk page from that time period, and I don't see any extended discussion. However, I do see a few discussions about some very specific inclusions or exclusions. These do not seem to constitute 'viewpoints.'

Is there anyone who feel that the tag is still relevant? If so, what perspectives are excluded? Jlevi (talk) 18:49, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

"FBI infiltrators caused the party to suffer many internal conflicts, resulting in the murders of Alex Rackley and Betty Van Patter."

This does not really make sense. Perhaps you can blame FBI-induced paranoia as a factor in the murder of Alex Rackley but it certainly is not fully to blame. Furthermore, there is no evidence to suggest that the FBI had anything to do with Betty Van Patter's murder.

Agreed, this should be changed.DenverCoder9 (talk) 00:49, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2020

In section 1.5.2 "Survival Programs", 3rd paragraph, second sentence should be changed from:

"The free medical clinics were very significant because it model an idea of how the world might work with free medical care, 13 clinics were established across the country."

to:

"The free medical clinics were very significant because they modeled an idea of how the world might work with free medical care, eventually being established in 13 places across the country."

or something similar to fix grammar. Tomahennessey (talk) 00:23, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

@Tomahennessey:  Done! GoingBatty (talk) 02:46, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

BPP as a black power organization

The history of the Black Panthers makes it clear that by 1968/69 (when they were arguably the most prominent), they had transformed themselves from a traditional black power organization to a revolutionary Maoist organization. BPP members read Mao, and Newton and Seale even went to China to meet the man (they didn't get the chance but they met with Zhou Enlai).

That said, I think it would be accurate for this aspect of the BPP to reflect in the opening sentence.NyanThousand (talk) 10:01, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Misspelling

It's not spelled anemia, it's anaemia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.121.39.72 (talk) 10:15, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

"Sickle-cell anemia" is the usual spelling in American English (see WP:ENGVAR). --Sangdeboeuf (talk) 03:29, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 October 2020

Mao Zedong Thought Add Mao Zedong Thought for the ideology of the Black Panther Party. FutureEthan (talk) 13:09, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. We have enough ideologies listed in the infobox that covers Maoism. The Party was influenced by Maoism, but not particularly involved with the events in China. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 14:02, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

remove Juche from ideology

I thought it was odd, so read the articles and neither state that the Juche was part of the BPP ideology, just that they had ties to North Korea and liked some Juche principals. That's a far cry from being the ideology of the party. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:c7f:d4ba:b700:76ae:43:b453:6519 (talk) 12:05, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2021

In the opening paragraph, it should be noted that they were a “far-left political organization.” 69.42.226.12 (talk) 20:23, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:38, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 August 2021

You mention nothing about the organizations well documented terrorist connections on both this page and the pages of the men involved. You prevent editing of the page even with several areas lacking proper citation, leading me to believe that you are more interested in painting an innocent picture rather than telling the full truth outside of this groups charity. Stop editing history to suit your narrow view. 2601:405:4900:94F0:1CFF:8379:2848:8996 (talk) 14:09, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Unclear requested edit. Please make a request in the form "Please change X to Y". In this case, I recommend you 1) find wp: reliable sources that support a claim you want to add to the article, 2) determine what statement that source supports, 3) specify where in the article it could be added, and 4) describe all those details here. Jlevi (talk) 14:56, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Race Vilification

Thing literally begins with vague descriptions of firefights involving police without describing the ideology or the circumstances 2600:1001:B126:AE21:1E8:B133:F6AD:53FF (talk) 23:34, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

They where a terrorist organization!

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Semi-protected edit request on 28 January 2023

Change "black people" to "Black people" in the origins section etc. Wikibobdobbs (talk) 03:42, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: see MOS:RACECAPS. Both capped and uncapped are acceptable and since "white" is not capped here, don't see the reason to cap "black" Cannolis (talk) 06:11, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Was the Black Panther Party a Criminal Organization?

@BenzoAid:, referring to your edit on Black Panther Party‎ and your position that it wasn't a criminal organization, I respectfully disagree with that position and believe the difference in position comes from our differing definitions of "criminal organization". I do agree that it wasn't founded as a criminal organization de jure, but I'd say it become a criminal organization de facto considering both its very structured hierarchy and pyramid of authority and its history of commands coming from the top members to the lower members to commit crimes such as kidnapping, torture, intimidation, and murder in many instances. I don't believe judgement should be passed against them or that their cause wasn't justified. I would say though that their establishment was made with the intention of upsetting the then status quo through both lawful and unlawful action, thereby being defined as both a political and criminal organization. I encourage your feedback. Listen1st (talk) 15:13, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Dr Huey Newton to you sir, and no they didnt start as a criminal organization or communist party that is all the lies fed to you by J. Edgar Hoover. The 491St tank battalion in WW2 was where there Black Panther movement started. Which in its essence the enemy of nazis was democratic socialism. Aka anti fascism which in turn has 3 prongs.

Anti communism

Anti fascism

Anti Royal monarchy Autocracy 👑

Get the facts straight.

Anti communism !!! 2601:644:8D7F:9E80:5C5F:F22A:CC6E:B18 (talk) 11:26, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

I am 100% against labelling the Black Panther Party as a so called "criminal organisation". Revolution is not legal, and if we were to label the panthers as criminals then we will have to change the wikipedia pages of all the American founding fathers to describe all of them as "criminals" also, alongside the Sons of Liberty because after all property damage (destroying tea) was a criminal offense. The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 15:08, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

I hear you both and those are some really good points. I would retort that they shouldn't really be considered revolutionaries since their revolution didn't succeed. The US Civil Rights movement was largely a success but the radical change that the Black Panther Party was pushing for didn't come to fruition either during or after their disbandment. In my eyes, if you successfully overthrow the government: you are revolutionaries. If you don't succeed, you are criminals/traitors. Listen1st (talk) 14:31, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

that's completely outrageous. there are multiple articles about "revolutions" on Wikipedia that did not succeed. Caglob (talk) 02:08, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

"you are revolutionaries. ... you are criminals/traitors." These terms are not mutually exclusive. Revolutions often inspire or coincide with mass murders or summary executions. Dimadick (talk) 18:16, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

I agree. Which is why the Black Panther Party was both a political and a criminal organization. Listen1st (talk) 18:26, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

"criminals/traitors(?)" are extremely loaded terms that annihilate attempts to understand political groups. i know what your response will be but also you cant ignore the racism implicit in this designation as well. Caglob (talk) 23:15, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

you might as well as call them 'terrorists" Caglob (talk) 23:17, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

I studied the Black Panther Party while obtaining my PhD and referring to them as a criminal organization is the real crime. The good the party did for their communities is what SHOULD be stressed and not the racist propaganda created by Hoover and his cronies. The only crimes committed by the party were done by the people working for the government who infiltrated the organization. It is high time we stopped feeding the negative stereotypes. This is the first time I am outraged by a Wiki entry. If there is any sort of accountability it will get changed Staciswiney (talk) 23:57, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Capitalization of the Ten Point Program

I've capitalize the entire excerpt from the Ten Point Program. The original was published in all caps. The former text on this page was in mixed case, but the chosen capitalization was pretty clearly editorialized because it did not follow the conventions of the original newspaper (for instance they did not capitalize "black"). You could argue about the correct interpretation, such as whether to use then-contemporary style or current style, but I thought the most objective choice was simply to replicate the original document as it was printed. To this end, I also included the underlining of the original. The original document can be seen here, the program is on page 3: [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nculwell (talk • contribs) 07:17, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Nculwell, please refer to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Capital letters, which says quite clearly that Wikipedia avoids unnecessary capitalization. In English, capitalization is primarily needed for proper names, acronyms, and for the first letter of a sentence. Wikipedia relies on sources to determine what is conventionally capitalized; only words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources are capitalized in Wikipedia. Note the use of "independent sources". We do not parrot the idiosyncratic capitalization used by the article subject.

Tesla renders its name in all caps. Wikipedia ignores that. Samsung renders it name in all caps. Wikipedia doesn't. Nike renders its own name in all caps. Wikipedia doesn't. Visa renders its name in all caps. Wikipedia doesn't. There are countless similar cases.

So, if a substantial majority of independent sources discussing the 10 Point Program use ALL CAPS, then you might have a case. But they don't, and the caps should stay out of the article. Cullen328 (talk) 07:39, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

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Famous people within the Party

Huey Newton & Bobby Seale: Founders of the BPP for Self Defense 1966 Studied law at Merritt College in Oakland, California. Developed the Black Panther Party's Ten-Point Program outlining their demands Studied engineering at Merritt College in Oakland, California. Continued to be involved in activism after the decline of the Black Panther Party.

Elaine Brown:

Chair of BPP 1974-1977 Stepped down after the beating of Regina Davis an admin at the Panther’s Liberation school by men within BPP Founded the Panther’s Liberation School Creator of the BPP anthem

“The Meeting”

Assata Shakur: Born on July 16, 1947, as JoAnne Deborah Byron in Queens, New York. Affiliated with the Black Liberation Army, a militant offshoot of the Black Panther Party. Arrested in 1973 for her alleged involvement in a shootout on the New Jersey Turnpike In 2013, Assata Shakur became the first woman to be placed on the FBI's Most Wanted Terrorists list.

the Black Feminist Movement: Too often are the blights of the Black and Oppressed women in America forgotten. Even within their own communities are the concerns of women equality and empowerment overlooked. Black women organizers identified with a global Third World community. Images and texts were used to reshape Black Power symbols to align with women's needs. Black women challenged masculine perceptions of Black Power during the era. Panthers' members and cultural nationalist organizations, like CFUN, produced articles and handbooks. Reclaiming their natural selves

Police Brutality: By arming themselves the BPP sought to defend themselves and their communities from the abusive and racists powers of the police throughout the country. The death of Robert (Lil Bobby) Hutton in 1968 sparked the death of nonviolent activism Black Panther Party had introduced the idea of revolutionary violence SimonWbJr (talk) 20:12, 18 December 2023 (UTC)