Talk:Bivalvia/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Keilana (talk · contribs) 19:39, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Hello Cwmhiraeth, I'll have the review posted by 5:00 UTC if that's ok. Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 19:39, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Keilana, I look forward to your assessment of how the article shapes up. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:12, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi! I did do a pretty thorough copyedit. Feel free to change back if I screwed something up. Overall, this is a REALLY ambitious effort and I'm thoroughly impressed! I do have a bunch of suggestions, but that's mostly a function of how broad a topic/how long an article this is. Let me know if you have any questions, and I'm sure we'll get this promoted in no time. :) Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 22:26, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

• Thank you for the thorough copyedit, Keilana. I agree with the wording of the changes you have made. I will work my way through the suggestions and comments made below. With regard to the taxonomy sections, these are pretty much unaltered by me as they are not at all my area of expertise and I do not have the necessary knowledge or access to suitable texts to make improvements. I will try to get other, more knowledgeable, members of Project Bivalves to help. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:41, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

• Sounds good. I also have HighBeam access and excellent database access through my local community college and library, so I can also help you dig up sources if you need help. :) Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 05:54, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

• "of which the Unionidae contain about 700 species" is an awkward phrase.  Done
• Just because I feel the need to ask, is the whole first paragraph in Etymology cited to source #8?  Done
• Also, the last few sentences of the 2nd paragraph of Etymology need to be cited.  Done
• Wait, isn't Bivalva the current name (or a mis-spelling thereof)?  Done
• The venerid image caption has too many "of"s and needs rewriting.  Done
• I'd like to see more on globular vs. flattened shells, is there anything else you can turn up?  Done
• Can you list the bits that the mantle crest secretes?  Done
• I'm a tiny bit concerned that the whole section on mantle and shell relies on one source. If that's like THE authoritative bivalve anatomy source, that's fine, but if not, I'd really prefer more source diversity.  Done
• The phrase "usually with the aragonite forming an inner, nacreous layer, as is the case in the order Pterioida" is awkward, maybe split it up.  Done
• Could you change "the shell is added to" to "the shell grows", or is that not biologically accurate? Best left as it is I think.
• Can you explain how the valves thicken throughout the bivalve's life?  Done
• "at a hinge joint at the animal's dorsum" sounds redundant.  Done
• What's the name of the muscles attached to the inner surface of both valves? Adductor muscles. The name is mentioned in several places.
• What do the cerebropleural and siphonal ganglia do? Explanation provided.
• Can you stick a sentence in there explaining that statocysts are little nodules that help the bivalve get oriented?  Done
• Do you have any sources that explain what the simple bivalve eyes look like?  Done
• Can you move the sentence about Anomalodesmata to the first paragraph? It's a little weird where it is.  Done
• Are there more sources for the muscle section? Expanded and an extra source used.
• Why is the anterior muscle not present in some species? Explained.
• Are ciliated interfilamentar junctions and interfilamentar ciliated junctions the same thing? Yes
• Change "through this to the rest of the body" to "then to the rest of the body" or "subsequently to the rest of the body".  Done
• Which bivalves have one aorta and which ones have more than one? I don't know.
• Are there any scientific papers addressing the circulation and respiration? I don't know.
• Which species have hemoglobin dissolved in the blood serum? What advantages does this give them? Is it unusual? I don't know.
• Which species are the ones that you refer to as "these primitive bivalves [which] hold onto the substratum..."?  Done
• What do they eat?  Done
• The "Modes of feeding" section could do with more sources, but it's not a huge deal.  Done
• How does the gill structure vary?  Done
• Should there be a "the" before "granular poromya"? Yes, I have added it.
• You definitely need to explain the Entovalva thing more...that's REALLY cool and I'm dying for more detail there. I have expanded this.
• Is there more to the digestive system of carnivorous bivalves?  Done
• The excretory system needs more. Also, do any species/genera/orders/*insert taxonomic group here* have unusual excretory systems? Expanded section a little. I don't know of any unusual systems.
• "from where it is washed away in the stream of exhalant water" is awkward.  Done
• Can you explain the fertilization process in more detail?  Done
• What's the stage before they hatch into larvae called?  Done
• If there are more unusual reproductive systems, you should include them. It's ok to have more - it's not too long yet. I have renamed and considerably expanded the section.
• Despite its flair, calling a reproductive strategy "remarkable" is a bit of biology fanboy/girl ism.  Done
• The phrase "The edge of the female's body that protrudes from the valves of the shell" is awkward.  Done
• You totally left me hanging! How do the young hatch and mature? What happens after they eat fish cyst tissue? (Which is totally gross, by the way). I have added to this.
• How often to they usually reproduce? I'm guessing this varies by species, so maybe you could give the extremes and the typical one?  Done
• What adaptations do they have for living in these weird environments? I have added a couple.
• It's weird that you say shells "live" beneath the sand. It seems normal to me.
• Is it totally necessary to say that the Antarctic scallop lives "at sub-zero temperatures"? That's sort of implied by "Antarctica" in the name. :P I have altered this. Sub-zero is pretty extreme!.
• Is the Ouachita creekshell mussel endangered, by any chance? Yes. I have added this.
• Are there any other invasive species? (zebra mussels?) Added information on zebra mussels.
• Is it necessary to say "between high and low water marks"?  Done
• Are there any other predators of bivalves? Added much information.
• Any others that cement themselves to stuff?  Done

I mentioned a few other families. Invertzoo (talk) 23:56, 6 May 2012 (UTC)  Done

• How quickly can razor shells dig themselves in the sand?  Done

Faster than you can dig them up, hope there is a ref for this though. Invertzoo (talk) 23:56, 6 May 2012 (UTC) Information added on digging speeds.

• Can you explain the siphon regeneration?  Done
• Do any other species/taxa have defensive secretions? I have not found any.
• Are brachiopods related to Bivalvia? No. I have clarified this.
• Does anybody know how a lophophore relates to feeding? I have clarified this.
• What kind of shells do bivalves have? Do you mention that at any point? I think this is adequately explained elsewhere.
• Does the "lost 95% of their diversity" mean they lost 95% of their species?  Done
• You don't make it clear if brachiopods are still around. I have clarified this.
• I would suggest changing "either shell morphology, hinge type, or gill type" to "choosing between shell morphology...".  Done
• Can you explain the last 2 sentences of that paragraph a bit further?  Done
• Also, the paragraph beginning "In the last decade" may need more explanation.  Done
• The 1935 taxonomy section really needs to be prosified and the orders could do with more detail.  Done
• Is there a key for all the symbols in the taxonomies?  Done
• Is the sentence "The monophyly of the Anomalodesmata is disputed, but this is of less consequence because that group does not include higher-level prehistoric taxa." your opinion, or professional biologists' generally agreed-upon idea? I have removed this opinion.
• Why did Franc separate the Septibranchia from the eulamellibranchs? I have expanded this statement.
• Is it necessary to have the publications listed under the proposed taxonomy? I have removed it.
• Also, just wondering, is it standard practice to list all of the sub-taxa (or whatever they're called) in an article like this? I'm not sure. However this is the main article for the class Bivalvia and this classification differs from previous classifications in the placement of taxa and provides information unlikely to be included elsewhere in Wikipedia.
• The citations like "Liu & Gu, 1988" should be inline to reduce clutter. These are the scientists who first described the taxon and so should be retained where they are.
• In general, your references are formatted inconsistently. I'd prefer you use the cite template convention. If you want me to help (I know how much of a giant pain this can be), I can totally do that. I think I have done them all.

Thanks so much for your great work! I know this is a lot, so take as long as you need to. Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 22:26, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

• I believe I have dealt with all the things on this list and additionally have added some more information and new sources. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:34, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Nice job! I've re-read the article and am passing it with no further concerns. My comments about missing information may be good to think about before an FAC, which is why I posted them in the first place. If you need something from a specific database, I have decent access and can email documents. Once again, congratulations! :) Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 20:50, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
    • Congratulations Cwmhiraeth for a very thorough upgrade to an overview article that is "the" essential article for the Bivalve Project! Invertzoo (talk) 21:27, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations Cwmhiraeth! This article is near and dear to my heart and I really appreciate all the work and effort you put into it. Nice job!!! Shellnut (talk) 22:44, 25 June 2012 (UTC)