Talk:Billy Joe Mantooth

birthplace

To the person who keeps changing the birthplace of Billy I wrote this page in collaberation with his daughter Michelle and his widow Pam. This information is not incorrect despite what you think is true. Also all references i can locate back up what i already have on the page such as this link http://www.wvustats.com/football/player.php?team_id=308&person_id=1177. Unless you can find something in writing to support your claim stop messing with my page, per wikipedia policy. Garkeith (talk) 18:33, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

It's me who keeps changing this, and I have to admit to not knowing where Bill's (no one called him "Billy" or "Billy Joe" when we were growing up) parents lived when he was born, so I won't change it again. However, Bill was raised by his uncle, and his uncle lived in Big Chimney. The coordinates of the house are: 38.405814°N 81.526594°W. Bill was two years ahead of me in school, but I have these pictures from our 1969 high school year book (Herbert Hoover High School, Falling Rock, WV). Bill made the High School All-State Football team in 1968, as a linebacker. But as you can see from these pictures, he played both ways. I'll add these comments to the article.

http://www.paulandterry.com/mantooth001.jpg http://www.paulandterry.com/mantooth002.jpg

Boomer (talk) 00:31, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

By the way, with due respect to Pam and Michelle, I don't think they were from the area were Bill (and I) grew up, and may not understand the distinction of all these little town names along the Elk River. Going up river from Charleston, one hits Big Chimney, then Elkview, then Falling Rock - where our high school was situated - and finally Clendenin. And you pass through a half dozen other little unincorporated villages along the way. Bill would have never called himself a native of Clendenin. We both attended Elkview Junior High, and Clendenin was our archrival. The rivalry goes back decades, to when they were Clendenin High School and Elkview High School. Herbert Hoover High School is the result of a 1963 consolidation of Elkview and Clendenin high schools. The former had colors of blue and white, and the latter red and white, so of course the Hoover colors were red, white and blue. Boomer (talk) 02:37, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

I do not doubt you may be right about this. The problem is Billy must have approved of being listed as from Clendenin as that is what all the programs during his playing time at WVU said, and the Mountaineers still have it in thier records today. Up until the mid 90's when he still held the weight lifting records in the records section of every program he was listed as Clendenin. Have you considered that the house where his parents lived when he was born was in Clendinin and they could have moved long before he was in his school years? I have no personal knowledge of his childhood, but he was my dads best friend for many years and he was like my second father when I was a child. I never heard him have a problem with the Clendinin label. You find something in writing and I will be glad to change it but you cant argue with no supporting documentation. We have to have references to make wikipedia strong. Please don't take offense I am excited and proud that I have created a page about someone I loved that people are interested in and have passion for. I just have to be sure it is book so some administr4ator doesnt come along and start messing with my page due to bad references or mark it as a stub. Garkeith (talk) 12:31, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

By the way i am thrilled about the pictures I have had difficulty finding anything I thought I could use but I have trouble understanding the copyright stuff. Thank you so much for your contribution.Garkeith (talk) 12:40, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Like I said above, I don't actually know where he lived prior to being taken in by his uncle, so I won't change the place of birth again, sharing your respect for Wikipedia. My contact with Bill pretty much ended when he left for Ferrum, and I was at Ohio State when Bill transferred to WVU. Afterward I did see him around the neighborhood on occasion. Friends of mine reported him coming into the weight room one summer after he had bulked up, and asking for all the weight we had to be put on the bench press bar. It ended up being 425lbs, and he pressed it several times they said. It was a pretty amazing transition for a guy who weighed about 180 in high school.

So no offense taken. We knew Bill at two different periods in his life. He was a class guy when I knew him, and it sounds like you feel the same. My assumption was that the writer of this article didn't actually know Bill personally, and was just repeating press releases, which we both know are not always the whole truth. Clearly that is not the case. We're both protecting the reputation of our friend.

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