Talk:Billy Caldwell

Old Treaty Elm

Actually the marker does not exactly mark the Old Treaty Elm. According to a long-time resident, who remembered the Elm, the Elm was actually located in the middle of the Street to the right of the marker. The streets, built at approximately the time the Elm disappeared, may have been a victim to Progress. Sauganash streets were built by the WPA.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.77.18.71 (talk • contribs)

That's interesting - I always heard that the Treaty Elm did succumb to Dutch Elm. Dutch Elm was not widespread until the 60s, but (I think) existed before that in Chicago. Anyone who remembers the Elm would have to be at least in their 80s. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.28.241.174 (talk • contribs)

I lived a block away in the 50's. The Old Treaty Elm was gone long before my childhood, and long before we had heard of "Dutch Elm" disease. I think the marker was placed in the 30's; look at the picture of the marker to be sure, because the marker says when it was placed. Where the marker was placed was likely under the branches. The resident was probably at least in his 50's when he told me about the Elm. He had lived in the house, a block from the marker, all his life. That would have been probably no later than 1960 when he told me. Certainly, it was during the time that Mr. Lemm had the Sauganash Store on the corner. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.57.191.12 (talk • contribs)

Mr. Keoster, was a developer in Saugansh. He owned the gas station at the corner of Petersen and Kostner. He had an incredible collection of pictures of Saugansh through the years. I use to cut his lawn. He invited me into his house and showed me his collection of historical photos. One of those photos was the day of the dedication of the Dutch Elm Treaty. There exists a picture. I believe Mr. Keoster's wife eventually donated it to the Chicago Historical Society. FYI, one of the the oldest, if not oldest home in Saugansh is located on Kostner just north east of the intersection of Rogers and Kostner --- just to the north of the ally. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MAC 1976 (talk • contribs) 02:50, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

I am quite sure that the correct spelling is Koester. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.217.104.123 (talk) 18:01, 12 June 2011 (UTC) [Or Koestner, like the Sauganash street]

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Blanking out of earlier article

Someone made wholesale changes to this article between February and early August 2011, including removing previous references, making many unsourced changes, and adding numerous spelling and grammar errors. Now there is only one reference and no inline citations, whereas before several sources were cited. Such changes should not be done without thorough discussion on the Talk page. Previous cited facts have to be added back to the article unless an editor can support their exclusion by reference to Reliable Sources (RS).Parkwells (talk) 19:00, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Reversions

Please stop reverting my changes to this article. I have been trying to use sources to provide cites for the content. You are adding back spelling errors, poorly organized sections, unsourced sections and other problems. If you have issues with the content or changes, please bring them to the TAlk page.Parkwells (talk) 19:40, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Citations

The material about the land purchases came from part 3 of the article, published in August, and needs to have a separate citation. This is not the recommended cite format preferred in Wikipedia MOS.Parkwells (talk) 19:47, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Parkwells- could you change your citations to in-line? Otherwise it is confusing what info is from what source. Thanks, Edgar Vekilnik, Jr. (talk) 20:40, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

I have repeatedly added inline citations, at some cost in work, and the editor "Billy Caldwell" changed them to the form you see, then deleted them all. I wrote to the editor on the personal Talk page and addressed the issue here, but was unable to persuade the person to stop the disruptive actions. Your support for the same goal is appreciated, so I'll try again.Parkwells (talk) 20:57, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Please clean up this article!

I am not an expert, but in the first section, we are told that Billy was a Metis of a Pottawatami mother who learned the language from her.

In a later section, we are assured that Billy's mother was a Mohawk and he learned the Pottawatmi language after he became a voyageur and went to the States.

Which is it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jovan66102 (talk • contribs) 03:31, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

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Potawatomi vs. Ojibwe Name

I just removed "Zhaaganaash" as the origin of the name Sauganash. Though he worked with, traded with, and led Ojibwe people, Billy Caldwell was not Ojibwe, he was Potawatomi. Unlike Ojibwe, the Potawatomi language doesn't have long vowels, so "Zhaaganaash" isn't a licit Potawatomi word, and thus was almost certainly not his given name. It would have been a Potawatomi cognate term, which might look like "Zhaganash" or "Zhagnash." I don't speak either language and I can't find a reliable source for such a cognate, so for now I'm leaving it blank. If anyone on here knows some Potawatomi or has a reliable source, please go ahead and add the correct version back in! Aquaticonions (talk) 22:50, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

added 'Zhagnash' with a citation in the Potawatomi online dictionary Hypnosef (talk) 01:51, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

I am attempting to clean up this article, there are massive amounts of unsourced material that is veritably false.

If I fail to properly cite something, bring it to the talk page and I will add a citation. Simply reverting the page to previous false and unsourced material is not helpful. Hypnosef (talk) 01:54, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Nannette vs Saqua

This page continues to claim that his three daughters baptized in Chicago were the daughters of Saqua/Masaqua Le Grande, when in reality they were the daughters of his first wife Nannette, aka 'la natte' 'la nanette'.

I contacted Notre Dame University and have scans of Father Badin's baptismal record which states each daughter, Helene, Elizabeth, and Suzanne are daughters of Billy Caldwell and Nannette. Yes, Gayford wrote that Nannette died after birthing Alexander, but this is incorrect. Gayford has released a new text with many updates and I am planning on scanning it in the next few days.

I added this record as a citation but am unable to upload a picture as verification for other editors as it is copyrighted material. My past edits on the topic have been reverted. Please do not revert this information, it is correct. If any other editor disbelieves, feel free to contact me for screenshots of the text. Thanks. Hypnosef (talk) 21:03, 20 August 2024 (UTC)