Talk:Bill 28 (British Columbia)/Archive 1

Refs edit

http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=4f2cf07f-5424-41b4-8560-b14d99bccfe7 http://vancouversun.com/news/staff-blogs/civic-lee-speaking-loopholes-in-new-foreign-tax-law-coming-to-light http://vancouversun.com/news/politics/premier-unveils-foreign-buyers-tax-on-metro-vancouver-real-estate http://vancouversun.com/business/local-business/nightmare-vancouver-housing-tax-threatens-foreign-tech-talent http://business.financialpost.com/personal-finance/mortgages-real-estate/top-vancouver-realtor-rapped-for-trying-to-avoid-new-15-property-transfer-tax http://business.financialpost.com/personal-finance/mortgages-real-estate/b-c-to-bring-in-additional-15-per-cent-real-estate-tax-on-foreign-buyers-in-vancouver-in-effort-to-rein-in-high-home-prices http://business.financialpost.com/personal-finance/mortgages-real-estate/reality-of-b-c-s-foreign-buyers-tax-begins-to-bite-as-realtors-report-deals-collapsing http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/b-c-government-looks-to-rally-public-support-with-surprise-citizenship-tax-on-vancouver-housing http://www.cknw.com/2016/07/29/poll-shows-most-metro-vancouver-residents-support-new-housing-taxes/ http://www.propertywire.com/news/north-america/vancouver-real-estate-tax-2016072912206.html http://www.ottawacitizen.com/business/vancouver+realtor+rapped+trying+avoid+property+transfer/12086641/story.html http://hibusiness.ca/2016/07/28/foreign-buyers-damaging-the-market-government-responds/ http://www.cknw.com/2016/07/27/business-report-will-ontario-mimic-b-c-s-new-foreign-buyers-tax/ http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/video/video-bc-brings-in-15-property-tax-for-foreign-buyers/article31100323/ https://www.leg.bc.ca/parliamentary-business/legislation-debates-proceedings/40th-parliament/5th-session/bills/third-reading/gov28-3 http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=e70acb3a-4454-46d2-902d-023c3d13b7df http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/metro-vancouver-home-sales-foreign-buyers-tax-1.3694167 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/christy-clark-takes-on-big-risk-with-foreign-home-buyers-tax-1.3701164 http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bc-foreign-homebuyer-tax-housing-market-toronto-1.3696511 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/working-immigrants-foreign-tax-1.3698362 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/real-estate-council-investigation-realtor-1.3697962 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-real-estate-foreign-data-1.3695439 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/real-estate-agents-scramble-to-close-before-15percent-tax-deadline-1.3701635 http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bc-foreign-homebuyer-tax-housing-market-toronto-1.3696511 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/foreign-real-estate-tax-bc-1.3706527 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/real-estate-vancouver-sales-1.3706119 http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/07/25/bc-property-transfer-tax_n_11184620.html http://www.news1130.com/2016/07/25/bc-brings-in-15-property-tax-for-foreign-buyers/ http://vancouver.24hrs.ca/2016/07/26/foreign-buyers-scoop-18-of-richmond-homes http://gulfnews.com/business/property/british-columbia-imposes-15-property-transfer-tax-on-foreign-home-buyers-1.1869261 http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/07/26/business/british-columbia-slaps-15-tax-foreign-buyers-real-estate-home-prices-soar-supply-sinks/ http://www.vancourier.com/opinion/history-shows-that-home-prices-will-eventually-fall-1.2164945 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/02/vancouver-real-estate-foreign-house-buyers-tax (Homelessness connection) http://www.burnabynow.com/news/market-feels-the-effects-of-a-new-tax-1.2316773 http://www.mortgagebrokernews.ca/news/tales-of-a-vancouver-luxury-broker-in-a-transformed-market-211565.aspx http://www.straight.com/blogra/749866/wave-real-estate-filings-end-july-no-proof-foreign-buyers-rushing-avoid-tax http://www.troymedia.com/2016/08/03/families-vancouver-cant-afford-housing/ http://www.mondaq.com/canada/x/515910/property+taxes/BC+imposes+additional+15+tax+on+foreigners+effective+August+2+2016 Ottawahitech (talk) 12:41, 31 July 2016 (UTC)- 22:40, 5 August 2016 (UTC)Reply

more refs: Foreign buyers singled out for additional 15% tax edit

October 2016 (UTC) Ottawahitech (talk) 02:05, 9 August 2016 (UTC) - 23:10, 15 August 2016 (UTC) please ping meReply

refs continued edit

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Another batch of refs edit

Ottawahitech (talk) 13:50, 31 August 2016 (UTC) - 13:52, 31 August 2016 (UTC) please ping meReply

Tax Cheat connection edit

NDP MP for Burnaby South Kennedy Stewart:
“This confirms the federal government is leaving local residents to the wolves when it comes to our housing market. It confirms that we have lost control of a significant segment of our housing market to foreign buyers, many of whom appear to be cheating our tax system.
“Worse still, the government has known about this problem for years, failed to take the right actions, and what limited actions they have taken have badly failed. It is scandalous and the government needs to start treating this situation as the emergency it is.”
Vancouver-Point Grey NDP MLA David Eby said the CRA has been asleep at the switch, failing to identify and penalize so-called low income owners of expensive houses that have avoided paying taxes.

Ottawahitech (talk) 19:23, 13 September 2016 (UTC) - 23:46, 6 October 2016 (UTC) please ping meReply

Offshore buyers connection edit

Ottawahitech (talk) 14:54, 16 September 2016 (UTC)please ping meReply

Affordable housing connection edit

Ottawahitech (talk) 14:58, 16 September 2016 (UTC) - 20:20, 5 December 2016 (UTC) please ping meReply

Rental connection edit

Homelessness connection edit


Vacancy tax connection edit

Vancouver mayor promises new vacant home tax by 2017 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-vacant-home-tax-1.3761496
Vancouver real estate: vacant home rate flat since 2002, says city report http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-empty-homes-report-1.3481195

Ottawahitech (talk) 15:45, 16 September 2016 (UTC) - 20:36, 7 December 2016 (UTC) please ping meReply

Canadian federal government connection edit

  1. Expanding a mortgage rate stress test to all insured mortgages.
  2. As of Nov. 30, the government will impose new restrictions on when it will provide insurance for low-ratio mortgages.
  3. New reporting rules for the primary residence capital gains exemption.
  4. The government is launching consultations on lender risk sharing.
  • Five previous federal housing moves since 2008:
  1. July, 2008
  2. February, 2010
  3. January, 2011
  4. June, 2012
  5. December, 2015 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/real-estate/four-major-changes-to-canadas-housing-rules/article32223470/

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Mortgage fraud connection edit

Vancouver Sun: Couple claim they were told to fake assets to buy Richmond home http://vancouversun.com/business/mortgages/couple-claim-they-were-told-to-fake-assets-to-buy-richmond-home

Ottawahitech (talk) 22:01, 20 September 2016 (UTC)please ping meReply

Aftermath connection edit

Lawsuits edit

Ottawahitech (talk) 21:48, 20 September 2016 (UTC) - 20:12, 28 September 2016 (UTC) (UTC) please ping meReply

Real estate market edit

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Home builders edit

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Foreign home buyers outside British columbia edit

Foreign home buyers outside Canada edit

Ottawahitech (talk) 00:05, 1 October 2016 - 15:46, 1 October 2016 (UTC) - 20:31, 9 November 2016 (UTC) {please ping meReply

Real Estate Services Act connection edit

Ottawahitech (talk) 20:04, 11 October 2016 (UTC)please ping meReply

Are nursing homes considered residential? edit

Are nursing homes considered residential property for the purpose of this Act? If so, http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/chinese-company-anbang-buys-stake-in-bc-based-retirement-home-chain/article33065536/ may be of interest. Thank in advance, Ottawahitech (talk)please ping me

Repeated blanking of this talk-page edit

To the editor who keeps blanking this page please stop and explain why you are doing this. Are you really after the improvement of the article? - If so, please explain how blanking this talk-page improves the article. Thank you. Ottawahitech (talk) 10:42, 4 January 2017 (UTC)please ping meReply

Please stop re adding the massive list of news references here. They should exist in userspace the article.SuperMarioWikiEditor (talk) 10:11, 25 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
[citation needed] VQuakr (talk) 17:12, 25 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
Wikipedia:TALK#USE would be a good start. Pasting numerous news articles like this doesn't facilitate a discussion, nor are they all reliable sources. SuperMarioWikiEditor (talk) 19:49, 25 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
...which would be a great thing to point out here on the talk page. It isn't one of the limited cases listed at WP:TPO that would be grounds for removal. VQuakr (talk) 22:25, 25 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

Mario's been indefinitely blocked for abuse of multiple accounts, so I won't hold my breath awaiting a response. Ottawahitech I clicked on one of the links at random in the first section of this page, and it didn't appear to mention the subject of this article. In the context of WP:SYN, which precludes incorporation of this source into the article and WP:TPG, which states that article talk pages exist to discuss changes to the corresponding article, what is the point of having this link?

Any list of potential sources and references is only going to be useful if it (mostly) contains content that could plausibly be used in the article. Given this, wouldn't it make this list more useful to yourself and others if it were edited down to content related to this article? VQuakr (talk) 02:36, 26 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

This article was created by Ottawahitech. Virtually all edits have been made by Ottawahitech. The jumble of links on this talk page was added by Ottawahitech. It is likely only useful to Ottawahitech and he knows how to access the talk page archive. If anyone is actually interested in improving this article, I suggest they start be correcting the name (it has not been a "bill" for months). World's Lamest Critic (talk) 04:17, 26 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

Whether Ottawahitech or anyone else knows how to access the archive is irrelevant. Focus on content and not editors, please.
Your last sentence is a separate issue. What's the most recognizable term for the subject of this article? VQuakr (talk) 05:05, 26 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
Do you understand how bills are named in British Columbia? World's Lamest Critic (talk) 14:55, 26 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
Your response implies you didn't read the policy I linked above, WP:TITLE. The formal title of the act is relevant, but not the sole factor in determining the best article title. VQuakr (talk) 02:18, 27 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
Do you understand how bills are named in British Columbia? World's Lamest Critic (talk) 15:37, 27 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
Ok, got it, WP:NOTHERE. Ottawa, any thoughts on the article title? VQuakr (talk) 20:47, 27 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
There's no reason to be dismissive. I'm asking you a straightforward question since your comments suggest you do not understand the naming convention for bills in British Columbia or what happens when they are passed. None of this is relevant to the discussion about this talk page, but just for the record, do you understand how bills are named in British Columbia? World's Lamest Critic (talk) 22:24, 27 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
@VQuakr: I don't have a preference for the name, yet. For those who want to change the article's name have a look at what links here, or check the refs to see what the media is calling it. Ottawahitech (talk) 13:30, 28 January 2017 (UTC)please ping meReply

Why this article is important edit

For those who are here for the purpose of developing this into a decent piece of wikiedia information, please have a look at my attempt to explain the significance of this article Ottawahitech (talk) 13:23, 28 January 2017 (UTC)please ping meReply

Social media or at least Redit are discussing this topic at: https://www.reddit.com/r/vancouver/comments/5i3y0b/real_estate_developers_slammed_bc_over_surprise/ Ottawahitech (talk) 14:08, 30 January 2017 (UTC)please ping meReply

Refs edit

http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=4f2cf07f-5424-41b4-8560-b14d99bccfe7 http://vancouversun.com/news/staff-blogs/civic-lee-speaking-loopholes-in-new-foreign-tax-law-coming-to-light http://vancouversun.com/news/politics/premier-unveils-foreign-buyers-tax-on-metro-vancouver-real-estate http://vancouversun.com/business/local-business/nightmare-vancouver-housing-tax-threatens-foreign-tech-talent http://business.financialpost.com/personal-finance/mortgages-real-estate/top-vancouver-realtor-rapped-for-trying-to-avoid-new-15-property-transfer-tax http://business.financialpost.com/personal-finance/mortgages-real-estate/b-c-to-bring-in-additional-15-per-cent-real-estate-tax-on-foreign-buyers-in-vancouver-in-effort-to-rein-in-high-home-prices http://business.financialpost.com/personal-finance/mortgages-real-estate/reality-of-b-c-s-foreign-buyers-tax-begins-to-bite-as-realtors-report-deals-collapsing http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/b-c-government-looks-to-rally-public-support-with-surprise-citizenship-tax-on-vancouver-housing http://www.cknw.com/2016/07/29/poll-shows-most-metro-vancouver-residents-support-new-housing-taxes/ http://www.propertywire.com/news/north-america/vancouver-real-estate-tax-2016072912206.html http://www.ottawacitizen.com/business/vancouver+realtor+rapped+trying+avoid+property+transfer/12086641/story.html http://hibusiness.ca/2016/07/28/foreign-buyers-damaging-the-market-government-responds/ http://www.cknw.com/2016/07/27/business-report-will-ontario-mimic-b-c-s-new-foreign-buyers-tax/ http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/video/video-bc-brings-in-15-property-tax-for-foreign-buyers/article31100323/ https://www.leg.bc.ca/parliamentary-business/legislation-debates-proceedings/40th-parliament/5th-session/bills/third-reading/gov28-3 http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=e70acb3a-4454-46d2-902d-023c3d13b7df http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/metro-vancouver-home-sales-foreign-buyers-tax-1.3694167 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/christy-clark-takes-on-big-risk-with-foreign-home-buyers-tax-1.3701164 http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bc-foreign-homebuyer-tax-housing-market-toronto-1.3696511 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/working-immigrants-foreign-tax-1.3698362 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/real-estate-council-investigation-realtor-1.3697962 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-real-estate-foreign-data-1.3695439 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/real-estate-agents-scramble-to-close-before-15percent-tax-deadline-1.3701635 http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bc-foreign-homebuyer-tax-housing-market-toronto-1.3696511 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/foreign-real-estate-tax-bc-1.3706527 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/real-estate-vancouver-sales-1.3706119 http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/07/25/bc-property-transfer-tax_n_11184620.html http://www.news1130.com/2016/07/25/bc-brings-in-15-property-tax-for-foreign-buyers/ http://vancouver.24hrs.ca/2016/07/26/foreign-buyers-scoop-18-of-richmond-homes http://gulfnews.com/business/property/british-columbia-imposes-15-property-transfer-tax-on-foreign-home-buyers-1.1869261 http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/07/26/business/british-columbia-slaps-15-tax-foreign-buyers-real-estate-home-prices-soar-supply-sinks/ http://www.vancourier.com/opinion/history-shows-that-home-prices-will-eventually-fall-1.2164945 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/02/vancouver-real-estate-foreign-house-buyers-tax (Homelessness connection) http://www.burnabynow.com/news/market-feels-the-effects-of-a-new-tax-1.2316773 http://www.mortgagebrokernews.ca/news/tales-of-a-vancouver-luxury-broker-in-a-transformed-market-211565.aspx http://www.straight.com/blogra/749866/wave-real-estate-filings-end-july-no-proof-foreign-buyers-rushing-avoid-tax http://www.troymedia.com/2016/08/03/families-vancouver-cant-afford-housing/ http://www.mondaq.com/canada/x/515910/property+taxes/BC+imposes+additional+15+tax+on+foreigners+effective+August+2+2016 Ottawahitech (talk) 12:41, 31 July 2016 (UTC)- 22:40, 5 August 2016 (UTC)Reply

more refs: Foreign buyers singled out for additional 15% tax edit

October 2016 (UTC) Ottawahitech (talk) 02:05, 9 August 2016 (UTC) - 23:10, 15 August 2016 (UTC) please ping meReply

refs continued edit

Ottawahitech (talk) 16:38, 22 August 2016 (UTC) - 01:26, 31 August 2016 (UTC) (UTC)please ping meReply

Another batch of refs edit

Ottawahitech (talk) 13:50, 31 August 2016 (UTC) - 13:52, 31 August 2016 (UTC) please ping meReply

Tax Cheat connection edit

NDP MP for Burnaby South Kennedy Stewart:
“This confirms the federal government is leaving local residents to the wolves when it comes to our housing market. It confirms that we have lost control of a significant segment of our housing market to foreign buyers, many of whom appear to be cheating our tax system.
“Worse still, the government has known about this problem for years, failed to take the right actions, and what limited actions they have taken have badly failed. It is scandalous and the government needs to start treating this situation as the emergency it is.”
Vancouver-Point Grey NDP MLA David Eby said the CRA has been asleep at the switch, failing to identify and penalize so-called low income owners of expensive houses that have avoided paying taxes.

Ottawahitech (talk) 19:23, 13 September 2016 (UTC) - 23:46, 6 October 2016 (UTC) please ping meReply

Offshore buyers connection edit

Ottawahitech (talk) 14:54, 16 September 2016 (UTC) -- 13:38, 28 January 2017 (UTC)please ping meReply

Affordable housing connection edit

Ottawahitech (talk) 14:58, 16 September 2016 (UTC) - 20:20, 5 December 2016 (UTC) please ping meReply

Rental connection edit

Homelessness connection edit


Vacancy tax connection edit

Vancouver mayor promises new vacant home tax by 2017 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-vacant-home-tax-1.3761496
Vancouver real estate: vacant home rate flat since 2002, says city report http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-empty-homes-report-1.3481195

Ottawahitech (talk) 15:45, 16 September 2016 (UTC) - 20:36, 7 December 2016 (UTC) please ping meReply

Canadian federal government connection edit

  1. Expanding a mortgage rate stress test to all insured mortgages.
  2. As of Nov. 30, the government will impose new restrictions on when it will provide insurance for low-ratio mortgages.
  3. New reporting rules for the primary residence capital gains exemption.
  4. The government is launching consultations on lender risk sharing.
  • Five previous federal housing moves since 2008:
  1. July, 2008
  2. February, 2010
  3. January, 2011
  4. June, 2012
  5. December, 2015 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/real-estate/four-major-changes-to-canadas-housing-rules/article32223470/

Ottawahitech (talk) 21:53, 20 September 2016 (UTC) - 19:07, 20 October 2016 (UTC) please ping meReply

Mortgage fraud connection edit

Vancouver Sun: Couple claim they were told to fake assets to buy Richmond home http://vancouversun.com/business/mortgages/couple-claim-they-were-told-to-fake-assets-to-buy-richmond-home

Ottawahitech (talk) 22:01, 20 September 2016 (UTC)please ping meReply

Aftermath connection edit

Lawsuits edit

Ottawahitech (talk) 21:48, 20 September 2016 (UTC) - 20:12, 28 September 2016 (UTC) (UTC) please ping meReply

Real estate market edit

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Home builders edit

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Foreign home buyers outside British columbia edit

Foreign home buyers outside Canada edit

Ottawahitech (talk) 00:05, 1 October 2016 - 15:46, 1 October 2016 (UTC) - 20:31, 9 November 2016 (UTC) {please ping meReply

Real Estate Services Act connection edit

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