Talk:Bilawal Bhutto Zardari

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Please I want to put in your kind notice that Bilawal Zardari is his real name. He is not belong to Bhuto. His mother only was Bhuto but his father is Asif Ali Zardari. He is just taking political favor to use another family name. So please update his real name Bilawal Zardari — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mazharaziz786 (talk • contribs) 09:35, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Notability

Bilawal kutti is a notable person, he is the elder son of Benzair Bhutto, and a heir to Randi political dynasty, his name is frequently mentioned in the Pakistani media [2] [3] as a future player in Pakistani politics.--JamesDS (talk) 00:41, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Has he done anything outside of being Ms. Bhutto's son to make him independently notable? Keilana 01:09, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Bilawal kutti Zardari kutta is the political head of Pakistan harami party. Pakistan harami Party is second biggest political party in Pakistan. This Party has won three federal elections in Pakistan. Currently Bilawal kutti Zardari kutta is the chairmain of this party who has a vote bank of around 500 million people.Rawfey (talk) 13:34, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

It's at the least an assertion of some sort of notability. I suggest we let this play for a week or so and so if anyone can build up the article.DGG (talk) 01:13, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

The media are calling him a possible contender in the upcoming Pakistamni elections, and he's expected to take "center stage". --JamesDS (talk) 01:14, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

The fact is that he isn't notable for being related to a famous person, but for being related to 3+ famous people. I'd say give it a few days for now, but if anyone takes it to AfD we would get a more definitive answer. Joshdboz (talk) 12:29, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Update: It looks like he might just become a bit more notable tomorrow [4] Joshdboz (talk) 13:25, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Strong Keep Time magazine is reporting that Bilawal Zardari "will likely be named as her political heir and the new party leader on Sunday." Joshdboz (talk) 21:59, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Strong Keep See Above 66.82.9.74 (talk) 08:51, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

not notable; redirect

I boldly redirected the article to Bhutto family; User:WWGB reverted; that's fine, it's the bold-revert-discuss pattern. Here I am to discuss. However I was fairly offended by the edit summary "rvv" -- I didn't vandalize anything; I redirected the name where it should go, because the subject is not notable. He may be notable in the future, even the near future, but that's irrelevant.

Right now his only notability is that he's in a famous family and there's speculation that he'll be called upon to take the reins of the Pakistan People's Party. Speculation isn't good enough, and WP is not a newspaper. Right now this title should be redirected to Bhutto family, and perhaps a few words said there about the subject would be OK. --Trovatore (talk) 09:23, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

As the editors above have indicated, I think we should at least wait and see what comes out of the statement due later today before further action on redirection. WWGB (talk) 09:34, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I think we should not. If the statement that comes out later indicates that he has indeed been tapped for the leadership of the PPP, no harm done; the content is still in the history and is trivial to restore. For now the subject is not notable and should be redirected. And you ought to apologize to me for the "rvv" edit summary. --Trovatore (talk) 09:36, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I do regret the rvv, and acknowledge that your edit was good faith. WWGB (talk) 09:43, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. --Trovatore (talk) 09:45, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

"Bilawal Zardari" gest 6480 hits on Google search and 70 on Google news including widespread reporting that he will play some major role in PPP politics. I think that, mixed with his very famous family, is notability enough for now. But if after today you still think this should be a redirect, feel free to bring to AfD to gather more opinions. Joshdboz (talk) 12:33, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Just appointed chairman PPP. [5] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshdboz (talk • contribs) 13:04, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I guess that makes him "notable". WWGB (talk) 13:07, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

One could say so. Joshdboz (talk) 13:11, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I would agree. Off topic though, it's pathetic. You don't turn over the hope for secular democracy in the world's sixth largest country to a teenager; I don't care who his mommy is, or even how damn smart he might be (which I have no idea). I hope the PPP reconsiders. --Trovatore (talk) 21:01, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Bhutto or Zardari?

Shouldn't it be Bilawal Zardari instead of Bilawal Bhutto? Lordricha (talk) 11:34, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

He can not be called 'Bilawal Zardari' because with an agreed consensus he has changed his family name by adding the family name of his mother Benazir Bhutto . According to Islam a person will be called by the name of Mother in the time of resurrection. So what is harm if he adds his mother's family name too? Rawfey (talk) 13:42, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

He is known as Bilawal Zardari [6]. The title of the article has been changed to reflect that. WWGB (talk) 12:44, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I think the title should be Bilawal Bhutto Zardari. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Garg (talk • contribs) 00:28, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I've just been watching the PPP news conference on TV, and it's been announced that henceforth he'll be known as Bilawal Bhutto, but hang on for proper confirmation before moving the article. -- Arwel (talk) 14:44, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

No, Asif Zardari said that his full name will now be Bilawal Bhutto Zardari. 59.93.12.201 (talk) 15:10, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Yup, he changed he's name to bhutto now --Kanonkas, Take Contact (talk) 15:09, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

"From now on my son's name will be Bilawal Bhutto Zardari"[7] Tanzanite (talk) 15:45, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

That's ok by me, but you moved the page cut and paste, which messes up the GFDL, you should move the page not cut and paste it.--Alf ^melmac 15:49, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Right, the pages involved are now moved so as to keep their respective histories, excepting the edit Tanzanite made to this page before moving the old named talk page over here, sorry about that Tanzanite. I have also seen to all the redirects and double redirects. For further information on moving pages so as to abide by the GFDL please see Help:Moving a page.--Alf ^melmac 16:15, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Chairman

CNN is reporting that Bilawal will not be chair officially until he graduates, until then an interim chair will be in place... 70.55.88.113 (talk) 14:17, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

He will be studying for 3 years on oxford, bring that in, cause their is no info on that in the wiki. --Kanonkas, Take Contact (talk) 15:09, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Course read

Does anybody know what subject he studies at Oxford? According to THE TIMES it's history, whereas german media claims that he studies law. --80.141.80.41 (talk) 20:54, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I've seen history several times but I don't have a source right now. Joshdboz (talk) 23:32, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

He is definitely studying history only. That is all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.165.151.162 (talk) 16:15, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Meanwhile the BBC on Radio4 were just describing him as 'Oxford Graduate' - surely, the BBC cannot ever be incorrect?! But so far as I am aware he has not yet completed his degree course. --Ndaisley (talk) 06:19, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Free image

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7165052.stm this image seems nice but is under copyright, anyone got a FREE picture? --Kanonkas, Take Contact (talk) 21:51, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I've found a free picture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:BBZ.png but it's very little.. Thats the only problem. --Kanonkas, Take Contact (talk) 22:10, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/12/30/pakistan.politics/art.zardari.afp.gi.jpg

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1071229/images/29son.jpg

Which one should it be, it can probably be put in the category: Fair use after I've checked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kanonkas (talk • contribs) 22:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Please talk further about the picture, about any deleting it, so on. --Kanonkas, Take Contact (talk) 22:43, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

This image is likely to be deleted under Wikipedia:Non-free_content#Unacceptable_images. I know how annoying this is as I've had experience with uploading images in the past. It sounds very difficult and annoying but the only way we can get an acceptable image of Bilawal Bhutto is if someone takes a picture of him and uploads it on Wikipedia. The other alternative is to search Flickr.com for an image of him that allows for a Creative Commons 2.0 licence. I've already checked and there aren't any such images right now. Thus, we may have to wait until either an image with a CC-licence is released, or if someone uploads an image they've taken themselves. Ekantik ^talk 23:40, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, there is another option too! if someone could ask Bilawal Bhutto Zardari himself on facebook to give his picture for using in this article. --SMS ^Talk 13:50, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Facebook reaction

Editor can use this TIME.com article to data-mine information about Bilawal's reaction to Benazir's assassination on his FaceBook page. Ekantik ^talk 23:20, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

You've all been had.

http://consolecity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84298 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.89.74.17 (talk) 23:15, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I propose adding the fact that his drunk images on facebook hinder any possibility for him being accepted by Pakistanis as a party leader. ^^

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6471.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidtruth666 (talk • contribs) 23:26, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

The article states "There is no evidence that Bilawal drunk alcohol" so what's your point? WWGB (talk) 23:49, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Christ Church

<Oxford pedantry> The BBC incorrectly titles Christ Church as "Christ Church college" and someone followed their suit, linking the three words to the article about the place. This is incorrect, it is either to be called "Christ Church" or "The House" - in The Oxford University Calendar (published by Oxford University Press - with editorial control at the University Offices in Wellington Square) gives it's title as "Christ Church" and states "THIS foundation, traditionally known as 'The House',...". Likewise one does not call his mother's alma mater, Lady Margaret Hall, "Lady Margaret Hall College". </Oxford pedantry>--Alf ^melmac 07:24, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Christ Church is a constituent college of University of Oxford. Since this article is FOR GENERAL AUDIENCES AND NOT JUST OXBRDIGE ALUMNI, it should state that Oxford is a university, and that Christ Church is a college from Oxford University. 70.55.86.232 (talk) 05:20, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Those facts are now reflected there, though Oxford isn't a university, it's a city and local government district. We should use correct titling, this isn't the Simple English Wikipedia, we should bother to write to be both readable by the general public and be correct.--Alf ^melmac 10:55, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Shia Islam

How do we know that he is a Shia Muslim. Can someone verify this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.35.93.92 (talk) 20:53, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi you all Bilawal Bhutto Zadari is a Shi'a Muslim i have edit and did it so,if any body needs reference to it i have give it too and i am also giving it here:Shi'a Islam . well i have seen that some is repeatedly removing it and is trying to hide this fact and is always removing Shi'a Islam which is actually Bilawal's religion! i would request the wikipedia authorities to take action against the person doing so on other Bhutto family articles too because all of the Family is Shi'a Muslim! thanks Paki90 (talk) 23:15, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

The info box heading states Religion. Bilawal's religion is Islam; Shi'a is a denomination, not a religion. Please indicate why it is important to make such a distinction beyond stating Islam. WWGB (talk) 00:31, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

A comment made last month on the talk page of the infobox about the usefulness of the religion field stated "George Bush, Tony Blair and current Prime Minister of Australia Kevin Rudd are all people who have made their religious beliefs very public and well-known. For these people, the addition of religion is appropriate. For someone where it is not widely known or publicised, then it's not appropriate." I have no personal view but suggest those interested parties review that discussion here.--Alf ^melmac 21:26, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Reply: Well his father is shia and his mother was sunnie. I think she raised his as a sunnie cuz i used to go to the same mosque as him in dubai and he always prayed in the sunnie way.

Bilawal's father and mother are both shias, so doesn't that make him a shia? Benazir wasn't Sunni, she was shia, so were her own father & mother, so isnt it very obvious that he is Shia muslim? The religion of his parents, his maternal grandfather is stated as 'shia islam' on wikipedia, so why not his too be listed as shia islam? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.141.46.193 (talk) 15:58, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

My mother and father are both dead. That does not make me dead. WWGB (talk) 11:08, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

References

Update

An editor keeps inserting that Bilawal is a Shi'ite, accompanied by a "reference" [8]. I have personally checked this source and it says NOTHING about Bilawal. I have therefore removed the claim as it is unsubstantiated. WWGB (talk) 22:51, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Please consult Biographies of living people about adding religion. It is against WP policy to add information just because you think it's the truth. (Drumz0rz (talk) 21:45, 15 May 2008 (UTC))

Impeccable logic; Bilawal's father is a self-professed Shi'a and his mother herself is a Shi'a. Rather you need to provide sources how he is not a Shi'a or whether he even changed his sect. Since no such source exists to clarify, I would prefer to abide by what Pakistani television tells me. Mar4d (talk) 12:44, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

This is one of the funniest things I have read on Wikipedia ("you need to provide sources how he is not ... "). Since when did the onus of proof turn to proving something is false? Please see WP:SOURCES: "Sources should directly support the material as it is presented in an article". WWGB (talk) 12:59, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Exactly; what sources or information do you have for that matter where he is anything but Shi'a? I for one find it funny that his whole family being Shi'a, there is a doubt being cast on what denomination he himself belongs to. Please clarify on what lines you are thinking here Mar4d (talk) 09:08, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Per WP:BLPCAT, categories regarding religious beliefs should not be used unless the subject has publicly self-identified with the belief in question; and the subject's beliefs are relevant to his notable activities or public life, according to reliable published sources. Since there appear to be no reliable published sources, then what I am thinking here is that Wikipedia remains silent on Bilawal's Muslim denomination. WWGB (talk) 12:01, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Suspicious website?

The Wikipedia article lists the Bilawal Bhutto website at www.bilawalbhutto.pk/. I have some reservations about the authenticity of this website, especially as the home page is a direct lift from an earlier version of the Wikipedia article. Thoughts? WWGB (talk) 00:12, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree. It does not look professional. Also, I believe the inclusion of a Google adverstisement is a major sign of its unauthenticity. Funds would come directly from the PPP (maybe) and definitely not from ads. Also, in a recent press conference, he said that he wants the media to respect his privacy.[9] The creation of a website by Bilawal seems very unlikely. I think it should be removed. Leitmanp (talk | contributions) 00:59, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. The only reference to it that I could find is a Jane's article which credits it for an image. I think we should wait to see if this is ever confirmed as official (or if he buys the domain ; ). Joshdboz (talk) 01:01, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Daily Mail article

Okay, an anonymous user has been pretty adamant that this article should be included. After having been deleted from the article a number of times by myself and others, User:WWGB has made an attempt to "include it without sensationalism". I still personally think that this has no place in this article, especially its constant wording that it is written by one Glen Owen, which frankly doesn't seem important at all. I also have problems with the article itself: its main source seems to be Facebook, and it's speculative of attitudes towards his student life. --AdamSommerton (talk) 23:39, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I would have absolutely no problem if the Daily Mail material was removed. I was just trying to bring some respite to the reverts involving Adam and the anon editor. If other interested editors express opinions here, it may resolve the issue one way or another. WWGB (talk) 00:49, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Remove - the article is excessively trivial tabloid material with no allegations that would disgrace any 19-year old in Britain. It's not so much damaging as silly, and not notable - a good deal less so, for instance, than Kevin Rudd's strip club visit, which has been taken out of his article though he is a sitting Prime Minister (well actually now I've checked, it is now back in, but it was excised during the Oz election)Jaguarjaguar (talk) 01:37, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Considering that the piece is by Glen "Anything that suggests that extremism is taking hold. It doesn't matter what form it takes, just as long as it gives any indication of extremism" Owen, who has already outraged various members of the student body (amongst others) I don't think it even deserves a mention. There is not one ounce of proof he provides that Bilawal acutally knows that said girls are 'self-considered lesbians', regardless that some accounts on Facebook, which may or not actually relate to real human beings, say that they are. I applaud the re-write though, it adequately makes it clear that of the words that were said, his assumed intake of alcohol with respect to the accepted religious caveats is questionable at the very least and in all likelyhood a total load of bunk. If it is kept in, leave Mr Glen Owen's name in - the top google link that appeared for me is the one I quoted which adequately shows his methodology in creating such 'journalism'.163.1.147.29 (talk) 08:11, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Not to mention the man's hypocrisy in trying to elicit Muslim extremist views, but coming across as a member of the Taleban himself in his judgement of Bilawal...I think the whole thing should be removed without further ado and will do it myself in a bit if no objections come up Jaguarjaguar (talk) 10:03, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Neutrality dispute?

The editor who has questioned this article's neutrality seems to me to be pretty partisan - the same one who has repeatedly tried to emphasise the Mail article, for instance. Since he isn't even coming into the open to state exactly why the article is not neutral (though I imagine it has to do with the exclusion of the dubious material he added) the tag seems redundant. Waiting on the decision of other editors though Jaguarjaguar (talk) 09:04, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

149.254.192.195 certainly seems to believe that their versions are right and others with reliably sourced information are wrong as here, for example The current version of the article appears pretty neutral from POV pushers at the moment, though it won't be if we allow unreliable sources and/or unverifiable information to get in.--Alf ^melmac 09:27, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Further to my comment above, we have 16 sources, most of which are from highly reliable and respected publications, for four small paragraphs, the only aspects I see that 149.254.192.195 is contesting is:

A: the inclusion of the Daily Mail article (dealt with in the above section) and no comment, viable or otherwise, has been made by the editor(s) wishing that information there.

B: the inclusion of the word Shi'a in the religion box, which is hardly a major neutrality issue and is being dealt with in the "Shia Islam" section at the top of this page, that info is relying on a source that has been questioned in the "Suspicious website?" section and current agreement is not to use unless it is proven reliable.

I am therefore going to remove the neutrality tag as of now. Editors who do not agree with this issue should, at the very least, make a good argument in the relevant sections on this talk page before restoring the tag.--Alf ^melmac 10:00, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

This article is as NPOV as it can get in its current form. Agree completely for the time being. Joshdboz (talk) 20:43, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

black belt

whats his dan rank.68.160.241.122 (talk) 19:01, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Article Title: Page should be moved

His name is not Bilawal Zardari Bhutto. Its Bilawal Bhutto Zardari. It says so in the article itself that his name change was to that. Just look at his BBC News Profile: [10]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reformation32 (talk • contribs) 12:54, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Preferred name is Bilawal Zardari Bhutto. See here. WWGB (talk) 13:10, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

I would like to point out that the hyperlinked page is very out of date. It is also the page of his political party. According to the Wikipedia: Wikipedia:Article titles,

"In determining which of several alternative names is most frequently used, it is useful to observe the usage of major international organizations, major English-language media outlets, quality encyclopedias, geographic name servers, major scientific bodies and scientific journals."

The BBC profile, Telegraph.co.uk Profile , and New York Times Articles all use "Bilawal Bhutto Zardari" not "Bilawal Zardari Bhutto". Would you like me to provide further proof or can you raise a more valid point? Reformation32 (talk) 13:29, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

User:WWGB Why did you delete the admin request. This page's article title needs to be changed from Bilawal Zardari Bhutto to Bilawal Bhutto Zardari. Please stop vandalizing the page. Phantomenace2 (talk) 15:34, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Bias

This article has substantial bias in favor of Bilawal. It omits major information about his scandals. There is no mention of his mishandling of the August 2010 flood crisis and how he and his dad tried to start his political career in Britain with a maiden political speech. There is no mention of his smoking scandal. No mention of his sex scandal. His name is improperly stated as Bilawal Zardari Bhutto while his common name is Bilawal Bhutto Zardari. LIke SERIOUSLY, Wikipedia's integrity is at stake here. This page might as well be his political campaign page! Phantomenace (talk) 16:23, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

A strong opinion from someone who apparently joined Wikipedia 31 minutes earlier! [11] WWGB (talk) 02:46, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

For the record, I am Phantomenace. My user page explains why I have a new account - User:Phantomenace2 I would like you to explain why you have been deleting sourced information such as about his first term. Phantomenace2 (talk) 15:08, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

For the record, you are not Phantomenace, you are Phantomenace2. Now you are even confusing yourself! WWGB (talk) 15:16, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Are you ridiculous. I am Phantomenace and Phantomenace 2. It explaines it in my user page.Phantomenace2 (talk) 15:32, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Zardari and residence hall

see Good ARticle for Zardari page. Its mentioned in the lead for the Zardari history of jail time. Phantomenace2 (talk) 15:40, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

The relevance of his residence hall and his lifestyle there is important enough to be mentioned in a telegraph news article. It is not for you to decide whether something is good enough to be mentioned on wikipedia. Phantomenace2 (talk) 15:43, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

stop the BIAS!!! Phantomenace2 (talk) 15:44, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Bilawal is Shia

His mother Benazir Bhutto is Shia. His father Asif Ali Zardari is Shia. The Bhutto family is Shia. The Zardari family is Shia. Bilawal is definitely Shia. Reformation32 (talk) 11:54, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Needs a reliable source about his choice, not his parents and family. Regards, WWGB (talk) 12:29, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

I have noticed you have unilaterally rejected my edit simply because you did not agree with a part of it. Please don't do that. Reformation32 (talk)

I really think that Bilawal being Shia is an issue of Wikipedia talk:Use common sense. His father is Shia. His mother is Shia. His mother's family is Shia. His father's family Shia. He was at a his mother's funeral which was conducted in a Shia manner. The sources are given above. There is nothing to indicate otherwise. If we are going to be nitpicking on minor details, than how do you know he is Muslim. I think the burden is on you to provide your sources. Reformation32 (talk) 12:57, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

I also advise you to steer away from any political motivations to boost Bilawal. I have noticed you have mentioned that he is a black belt in karate but you do not want the article to mention that he does not know how to play cricket! Need I say, that Pakistan's overwhelmingly most popular sport is cricket!! Reformation32 (talk) 12:57, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

This is a policy matter: "religious beliefs or sexual orientation should not be used unless the subject has publicly self-identified with the belief or orientation in question". (WP:BLPCAT). Also, you have entirely missed the point of the article about cricket. Bilawal does not say that he does not know how to play cricket, he says "he could not play cricket because of the circumstances in which my family had been put". In other words, being on a cricket field poses a security threat, so he cannot play. WWGB (talk) 13:35, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Moving this to the bottom & marking it as unactionable as there was no specific request made. Skier Dude (talk) 04:26, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Correct name

According to the Guardian article linked in the biography, his correct name is "Bilawal Bhutto Zardari" and not "Bilawal Zardari Bhutto" – [12]. Please comment. — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 20:53, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

I agree. His name is usually written as Bilawal Bhutto Zardari. His short name is Bilawal, not Bhutto or Zardari. WWGB (talk) 00:54, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

I have moved the page to its appropriate name. We do not use first names on Wikipedia because that is not encyclopedic in style. Please review WP:MOSBIO (WP:SURNAME). The reason why the media refers to him as "Bilawal" on numerous occasions is because he is often mentioned alongside his family members in those publications. — Nearly Headless Nick {c} 14:03, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Nick Name Bias

Bilawal Bhutto Zardari does not have any nick name. Billo Rani or Baji are not his official nicknames. Billo Rani is actually an Indian song which has nothing to do with Bilawal Bhutto Zardari. These names are given by his political opponents to defame his character. We believe that according to the rules of wikipedia, it can not allow such editions which does character assasination of a political leader whose party Pakistan Peoples Party made three governments in Pakistan with the support of millions of people of Pakistan. We request the administrator to either remove these names or provide proofs Rawfey (talk) 13:53, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Nicknames have been removed. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 17:30, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

We would like to raise the attention of administrator that either he or some other user has narrated fictitious facts to defame Bilawal Bhutto Zardari. Let me quotes some of the wrong statements mentioned in Controversy section of the main page of Bilawal Bhutto Zardari as "A message to Billo Rani by Pakistani People "Marsoon Marsoon, Pakistan na daisun" means "PPP will never never get Pakistan again". "Marsoon Marsoon, Pakistan na daisun" does not mean "PPP will never never get Pakistan again". This slogan is in Saraiki language. The word 'Marsoon' means 'will die' and 'na daisun' means 'will not give or surrender'. The real meaning of this statement would be that "We will prefer to die but we will never give Pakistan". Bilawal Bhutto Zardari made this comment referring to Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan, which is a terrorist organization, that we will never surrender Pakistan against Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan. This section is written by some one who carries bias against Bilawal Bhutto Zardari to defame him. Administrator is requested to please remove these defaming statements or make corrections. Rawfey (talk) 14:10, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

And this has been removed - standard political gamesmanship. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 17:45, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Bilawal Bhutto Zardari

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Bilawal Bhutto Zardari's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "dawn.com":

• From Pakistani general election, 2013: Alizeh Kohari and Saba Fatima Mirza (2013-02-09). "Elections 2013: survey indicates close contest". Dawn.Com. Retrieved 2013-04-18.
• From Pakistan Peoples Party: http://www.dawn.com/news/1136635

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 09:56, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

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Neutral Point of View

The article has been written from a fan's point of view completely and also the article's tone seems very subjective. It's not reflecting tone of wikipedia. I think it should be fixed soon.Ominictionary (talk)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 July 2021

185.233.18.84 (talk) 19:34, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. lomrjyo^{(talk•contrib)} 16:34, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

@Lomrjyo: they wish to have the #Controversies section below added. Since the request is almost certainly from Popsmokes38 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) who is topic banned from BLPs (and indefinitely blocked for ignoring that ban) the answer to the request is "not done". FDW777 (talk) 16:44, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Actually I see this request languished for days. Sockpuppet or not, it's still a request to restore Popsmokes38's version of the article despite the repeated objections made to it on BLP grounds. So still  Not done. FDW777 (talk) 17:08, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Controversies

When asked about his marriage plans at a press conference, the PPP Chairman made a joke to a chortling audience, with a big grin, "[We're also discussing] if I should marry one woman or four... one from each of Pakistan's provinces. We are investigating what the electoral impact of that will be. When the report is complete, I'll present it to you."

He has been heavily criticized by the current Engergy Minister, Hammad Azhar, for lecturing them on how to run a country while his own province has an HIV outbreak and a lack of vaccines for dog bites.

According to Ron Suskind in his book "The Way of the World: A Story of Truth and Hope in an Age of Extremism", released in 2008, he said the National Security Agency has a recording of Bilawal's mother (Benazir Bhutto) talking about black bank accounts.

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Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2022

I have found a little issue on the name. Please correct Bilawal Zardari is the correct name in Pakistan. We use Our Fathers cast Not mothers. Bilawal Bhutto Zardari 202.47.36.245 (talk) 07:07, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:08, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 April 2022

I'd like to make an edit to the early life paragraph. Kingf888 (talk) 04:16, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 20 September 2022

125.209.88.58 (talk) 05:18, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 October 2022

add party flag. (add this before Pakistan Peoples Party in code.) Souravmalani88 (talk) 15:55, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template.

I checked a few others in the same party (those listed in the infobox in Pakistan Peoples Party) and none of them have a flag there. Not adding one here to preserve consistency.

Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2022

In this article, the first line states "Bilawal Bhutto Zardari (born 21 September 1988) is a Pakistani politician & murderer[1]". This is false that he is a murderer. The source inserted nowhere states that he committed the murder and there is no valid source stating that he is a murderer. So, please remove the murderer statement from his wikipedia page. Truthful mechanism (talk) 16:40, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

 Removed Peaceray (talk) 18:01, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 March 2023

There should be a "Controversies" section for this Wikipedia article.

1. Nepotism: Bilawal's grandfather, mother, and father have all served in positions of power in Pakistan, including in the roles of Prime Minister and President of Pakistan. Bilawal is currently the chairman of Pakistan People's Party. The party chairperson role has been held by a member of the Bhutto family for most of the party's history since its inception in the 1970s. This has led to criticism for the role that nepotism and dynastic politics is playing in Pakistan's power structures. Sources: https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2022/04/14/bilawal-defends-pakistani-dynastic-politics-during-cnn-interview/, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benazir_Bhutto, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asif_Ali_Zardari, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zulfikar_Ali_Bhutto, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_People%27s_Party

2. Election Transparency: Bilawal does not support electronic voting machines (EVM) and the government under which he currently serves as a Foreign Minister has passed a bill to stop the use of EVMs in polls. Pakistan suffers from election rigging and attempts to introduce EVMs to bring greater transparency to the electoral process have been halted. Sources: https://www.thedailystar.net/news/asia/south-asia/news/pak-parliament-bill-passed-stop-use-evm-polls-3033476, https://www.thenews.com.pk/tns/detail/603482-how-elections-are-rigged

3. Brutal repression: Bilawal continues to be part of a coalition government that has brutally repressed people's right to freedom of speech and protest and has been involved in raiding homes without a warrant and custodial torture of political opponents. Sources: https://www.voanews.com/a/pakistani-politician-alleges-torture-in-police-custody-/6714854.html, https://www.globalvillagespace.com/sindh-police-under-fire-for-raiding-haleem-adil-sheikhs-house-without-warrants/, https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/pakistan-police-fire-teargas-baton-charge-supporters-ousted-pm-khan-2022-05-25/ Skullsplitter0816 (talk) 13:47, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. In this case, this would be both a substantial and likely controversial addition. Please ensure that you establish consensus before making or requesting such an edit. If no objections are raised within a reasonable timeframe, feel free to re-open this request and ping me. Meanwhile, I would suggest you rewrite part 3 to be in compliance with WP:NPOV; use of illustrative words such as "brutally" in this context is discouraged. You can of course state that this is how the relevant sources report on the matter. Actualcpscm (talk) 15:18, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 December 2023

Request to add new heading " General Elections 2024 "; and to include the text under the heading that: In preparation for the General Elections of 2024, Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) Chairman Bilawal Bhutto Zardari declared a significant shift in the party's strategy by announcing the decision to part ways with its allies, citing a lack of commitment to addressing crucial issues such as inflation and terrorism. Speaking at the commemoration of the 16th death anniversary of Benazir Bhutto, Bilawal outlined a 10-point agenda for the party's stance, including promises to double salaries within five years, provide free solar energy for the poor, ensure education for all, and offer free health services across Pakistan.

With the source: Izaanz (talk) 22:02, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Too spammy sounding, please read WP:PEACOCK Seawolf35 ^T--C 05:17, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

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