Talk:Big Brother (TV series)/Archive 1

Refences to 1984

I think there should be more mention to this. also in the latest season in the uk, "Big Brother" often repeated "And remeber Big Brother is always watching"Slayerx675 12:06, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Amongst several changes I made today, I removed this after failing to find any evidence for it:

"In the UK, part of the profits are split between three charities."

Note that Celebrity Big Brother does raise cash for charities, so I added:

"In the UK there have been several 'Celebrity Big Brother' series, which have drawn huge viewing figures and raised money for charity."

BTW, for this type of TV show, there's too much talk about the viewer's experience of the show and not enough about it as a remarkable business model for its inventors. The Big Brother phenomenon is more than just a matter for the TV critic. Good info on John de Mol and his brainchild on Forbes site. Next stop: Who Wants to Be a Millionaire -- Hotlorp 02:05, 19 Dec 2003 (UTC)

American Big Brother and NPOV

I've seen some edits to the section on American Big Brother that seem biased. If it is important to have an article on Big Brother, it should be an informational encyclopedia piece, and it should demonstrate the cultural relevance of the show. It should not be gossipy or opinionated.

I'm changing the recent edit to something more NPOV. I'm happy to discuss further changes. Thirdreel 19:45, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I've done a revamp of the seasons. Feel free to edit. Mike H 21:54, Jul 18, 2004 (UTC)

Several places in the article say that contestant are voted out by the TV audience, but this isn't the case everywhere, like the U.S. July 17 -Merick

This article does not have Mike Malin as winner of Big Brother 7 US. And US should be added to countries with most seasons with Spain & UK.

That is correct. See this page for details of All Star Editions - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Brother_Other_Editions GrahamUK, 23:08, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Australian Big Brother section

The paragraph about Merlin's refugee protest was removed, see this edit: [1] . I think it deserves some mention, but I can see where the anon editor was coming from as it surely isn't the only notable event in the four season history of the show. I guess the whole Aussie section needs a bit more content. I was going to re-instate it but thought I would leave it up for discussion. Chuq 04:58, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Full housemate lists?

I notice the Australian Idol, Pop Idol etc articles have a list of the top 12 contestants for each season. I think this would be a good idea for the Big Brother shows, but it gets a bit crowded with all the various Big Brother's around the world. The Idol series have different names so they have a natural disambiguator - does anyone think this article should be split into articles Big Brother (Australia), and so on, for each country? -- Chuq 12:32, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Yes, I thought about doing that when I recently beefed up the UK info (but laziness won out that time). It would also help categorisation, since each country's article could be placed in the appropriate TV-related categories for that country. Using articles named Big Brother (Country) seems a good plan. -- Avaragado 15:32, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Emphatic agreement. I think this addresses a little of the "trivia/gossip" point I was making above. The main 'Big Brother television program' should explain what the show is, what the rules are, and some basic facts about the difference between countries' versions. I think having separate articles would allow a place for a little more trivia about who voted for whom and who said what when they were voted out, without overly cluttering the main article.Thirdreel 20:42, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Excellent idea! I have moved the entries relating to the UK version to Big Brother (UK). -- TonyW 15:46, Jul 27, 2004 (UTC)

Italian Big Brother Winner, 2004

2004 edition: won by Israeli-born Jonathan Kashanian (male), 23 years old. Official Italian Brother Website: www.grandefratello.com

2003 edition (summer): won by Serena Garitto (Female), from Genoa. 2003 edition (winter): won by Floriana (female) from Rome 2002 edition: won by Flavio Montrucchio(male) from Turin 2001 edition: won by Cristina Plevani (female) from Brescia - first winner of Big Brother Italy

Corrections

I removed the 'fact' that

• Shortest stay in the house: 8 days Veneta Mileva-Ilieva, BG, 2004

Sunita in Big Brother UK walked out in just 6 days. I'm sure there have been others - celebrities? guests? - who have lasted even less time.

The shortest stay as im aware was 3 days bb3 uk sunita

I also removed: Big Brother UK was the first and only country from which a Big Brother has flirted with housemate and has dated them. as it is not evidenced and I have no idea what it is referring

It seems to be a reference to the current series of Big Brother in the UK where a housemate won a "date" with Big Brother which amounted to eating a meal in the diary room while Big Brother flirted with him in a humorous way. Not sure if it's really relevant though.--FlooK 20:51, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Rachel in BB Australia 2001 entered the house as an intruder and was evicted three days later. Asa01 20:14, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Rex van Iersel in BB Netherlands 2000 entered the house as an intruder and was evicted only two days later.Hunter 12:51, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Wasn't there one country where someone walked out after 2 hours? Who was that? Triangle e 15:24, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Mercedes in GH5 Spain walked out after about 2 hours which is the shortest time for a voluntary abandonment. I beleive the shortest stay in a BB House for an actual Housemate was Klára in BB1 Czech Republic who entered the House with her sister, the viewers had to vote to evict a sister and Klára was evicted after about 1 hour of her entering the house. GrahamUK 6th July 2006.

Well could it be that something like this was done in several seasons of Grande Fratello too? I was curious since everytime the websites opens on a new seasons they already list one ex housemate when the first show is over - I know that in the last seasons the viewer had to decide between two guys entering the house however it would be interesting to know if they had been in the house already and one was forced to leave after he lost that first voting on the kick-off show.

I watched the launch show for Grande Fratello this year and the vote between Danilo and Augusto was done in the studio. Danilo never entered the Big Brother House, so he cannot really be considered a housemate. GrahamUK 22:19, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Main Picture: "Big Brother Logo"

This picture/logo currently has a sub-heading entitle "Big Brother Logo". This is wrong because it is only the American logo, it is not the logo for all of the Big Brother tv shows. So I am changing it to "American Big Brother Logo".

"try to avoid periodic publicly-voted evictions"

Is it "Pinoy Big Brother" or just "Big Brother" ?

I don't know about you Pabs, but "Pinoy" does not mean "from the Philippines," by a colloquial word for "Filipino (man)." Just ask the man on the street. And it is always stressed that the name of the Philippine version is "Pinoy Big Brother." Why are you stressing that the Philippine version is just called "Big Brother"?

The official name of the Philippine version of the series is Pinoy Big Brother, and not Big Brother itself. Please don't change it unless you can prove otherwise. Circa 1900 08:42, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Agreed, the term "Pinoy Big Brother" is used throughout their website, where the other versions would simply use "Big Brother". Thanks/wangi 13:57, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Can say for 100% that the official title is Pinoy Big Brother, as opposed to international versions. It is just as much as different title as "Loft Story". Bluejam 17:51, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

First, how should we define "local title"? Is it the mere translation of "Big Brother" into the local language? Or is it by how the locals themselves call the program? We need to have a consensus on the matter. Circa 1900 05:08, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Good point. From what I've seen around the world, many non-English speaking countries still use "Big Brother" as the title. Then there's the Spanish speaking countries who use "Gran Hermano" and the French version "Loft Story". "Pinoy Big Brother" is used as the standard title of the programme in the Phillipines, which is why I think it goes alongside these others, I don't see why there's a column for "Local Name" if the proper name isn't put under it. Bluejam 12:40, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

If the current standards will be used, I suggest we'd change the heading from "Local Name" to "Local language translation" or something to that effect. Circa 1900 17:05, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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Left/Right criticisms

I have found plenty of Right criticisms of BB, but am finding it difficult to locate any left wing/intellectual critique of BB. Perhaps someone could add some useful anti-BB links. Thanks.

-Ash.

Didn't the contestants in the first Spanish one successfully organise a threat to all leave and Big Brother had to back down on a request? I remember seeing this on a documentary in the UK on the BB phenomenon ages ago. Most contestants seem to obey these days. Apart from Ahmed in Series 5.--Darrelljon 22:17, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

And wasn't all of Galloway's speeches cut out of CBB.--Darrelljon 20:36, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Template:Big Brother USA season 6 background considered for deletion

The template {{Big Brother USA season 6 background}} is being considered for deletion. To participate in the discussion go to Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:Big Brother USA season 6 background. This template is included in all of the bio articles for Big Brother USA season 6. --Rob 08:07, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Big Brother and tontines

Can the Big Brother series be viewed as a category of tontine?

Jackiespeel 16:27, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Only by really stretching the definition, since the "winner" of a tontine has literally survived the others, not just failed to be voted out of the group. Rlquall 17:16, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Pinoy Big Brother explanation

let me just reiterate this to those who do not understand. Pinoy Big Brother is the name of the official Big Brother Philippine version here in the Philippines. Pinoy is the colloquial word for the word Filipino. Just to make it more nationalistic so thats why it renamed Pinoy Big Brother here in the Philippines.

Big Brother contestant Belinda Thorpe up for deletion

Those familiar with the topic, may wish to discussion possible deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Belinda Thorpe (2nd nomination). --Rob 19:50, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

when is the new bigbrother start

Changing the picture

I think we need to change the picture in the upper right hand corner. It is commonplace for TV series to have their logo's displayed in Wikipedia, and that map does not show anything. It says it highlights the countries that show Big Brother, but it doesn't denote what color it is for the country to have the show. Just looking at the map tells you nothing, plus it's too small to be useful where it is. Anybody else have an opinion? --134.124.63.228 05:02, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

• The picture doesn't have the info on it, it's underneath the pic on the picture's page. JD 20:21, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Why is U.S. Big Brother in "Around the World" changed?

I'm not exactly sure of why, but for some reason, every time I add "Upcoming Season" to the List of Winners, it is deleted. There are already several verifiable sources that could cite that there will be a BB season this summer. FireSpike 00:26, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

The Upcoming US season has been confirmed as an All Star season, and All Star Editions are not included on this page (Belgium All Stars as an example). There is a separate page for Other special versions. GrahamUK 22 April 2006.

There needs to be a note above that section that special seasons of Big Brother in a certain area (like All Stars) that it gets placed in the Big Brother Other Editions article. Alucard_16 28 July 2006.

I think it's different with BB All Stars in the US since even the broadcast station (CBS) is revering to it as "Big Brother 7" and if there's going to be another season next year it's problaby going to get called "Big Brother 8" , you should think about to include it. shameless 17 August 2006

The number of the show is not the issue here it is the format of the show. All shows on the main page have the format of normal members of the public living together in the house. Other formats have separate pages. If All Stars seasons are included on the main page, then the All Stars seasons for Belgium and Denmark should also be added. I still believe the best option here is to merge the main page with the VIP and Other Editions pages and just have one Big Brother page that lists all editions. GrahamUK 22:19, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Well I give you that - would definetly be the best decision to escape future discussions. However I don't think we cannot compare the US all stars season to those in Belgium and Denmark (Sweden had one too btw) since it's obviously sheduled like a "real" season and got the officially title from the broadcast station BB#7 as I already pointed out. Shameless, 21 August 2006

Table

Why not place all the winners' names in the article's table? For me, I think that it would be more encyclopedic if all the names of the winners from special seasons, such as Teen Big Brother, Celebrity Big Brother are placed there, albeit in italics. What do you think? --User:Matthewprc 04:36, 02 May 2006 (UTC)

Czech BB

The current Big Brother (Czech TV series) might well be a hoax, but that is not a reason for linking instead to a foreign wp - cs:Big Brother. We need to tidy up the English language Wikipedia article. /wangi 14:29, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

The Czech version is called Veľky Brať (Big Brother), so totally useless page.ZlatkoT 09:30, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Please edit and improve the article - Velký Bratr now redirects to the article. Thanks/wangi 09:55, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

1984

Would it be encyclopedic to note that, despite the obvious, that apparently for copyright purposes, each show contains a disclaimer that the series is not based upon George Orwell's 1984 (even though that is obviously where the phrase, "Big Brother is watching you" originated? Rlquall 17:14, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I've never seen this on an episode of Big Brother UK, or Big Brother Australia. JD 20:21, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I've neither seen that disclaimer on any episode of BB Aust., nor have I heard that phrase being used on the show. Asa01 21:58, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

The phrase "Big Brother will be watching" is used on BB UK occasionally, spoken by Big Brother him/herself; although the presenters rarely say it. I haven't ever heard "Big Brother is watching you" though. JD 22:19, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

In any event, disclaimers like the one mentioned above do not excuse productions from copyright law. I don't know too much about whether a single phrase would fall under copyright law, but if it did, then that would also apply to the words Big Brother itself in the shows title. The producers would merely pay royalities. They already spend big $$$$ making the show so could probably afford it. Asa01 20:17, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Virtual Big Brother

Big Brother is not only a hit on the television, it is also a hit as an internet game dubbed "Virtual Big Brother or "Online Big Brother." These games are usually played on forums and have been very popular amongst the British but there have been a few that have come from the US and one from Australia.

where can u play a game?

Youngest Housemate

Do we know who the youngest housemate ever in the world is? Glyn Wise in the current show is 18 and still in school so it definitely the youngest British housemate (excluding teen bb). Anyone know? Triangle e 14:33, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

There have been a lot of housemates with 18 years old in BB History, so there isn't a name. Pabs

with regards to that statement, there IS a youngest housemate. 18 years and 2 months is younger than 18 years and 3 months. If we have dates of birth, we can check. Glyn was 18 years and 5 months when he enterred the house. Any advances? Triangle e 21:11, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

The problem is there have been a lot of 18 year old Housemates and as some countries don't release dates of births it would be imposible to determine who was the youngest. Leah (BB3 Australia), Danielle (BB6 Australia), Liesel (BB2 Belgium), Juliana (BB5 Brazil), Radomira (BB2 Bulgaria) were all 18 when they entered the house - I could go on I only got to countries begining with letters A and B. (GrahamUK, 22 June 2006)

Since Joscelyn Savanna (BB5, NL) was born within the BB-house she's obviously the youngest. Hunter 04:30, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

That is a good point, although does she count as a housemate? I haven't seen the Dutch show so I dunno. I suppose she is the youngest really. Bizarre! Triangle e 21:11, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

She would be the youngest inhabitant but not the youngest Housemate. (GrahamUK, 22 June 2006)

• Aldred Gatchalian in Pinoy Big Brother Teen Edition is the youngest housemate- 15 yrs.old.

I'm afraid that he doesn't count. The Teen edition is like the Celebrity edition in the sense that it is dealt with seperately. Triangle e 21:11, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Jenny Coroner bb7 uk was 18 years and 3 months

Tourettes

I think this needs to be settled once and for all... I think it's the BB Aus housemate who should get the "first housemate with tourettes" award - there's proof he has tourettes, and he was there first. Can we stop the edit warring please? -- cds^(talk) 16:38, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I think you are getting a little excited. There is no edit war. -- Barrylb 19:43, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

lmao I would have said that much earlier, but I didn't want to cause an argument. Plus, it would have kinda been hypocritical. JD 19:57, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

On the BB Australia official website diary page for day 31 at time 18:58 it says:

John talks with Michael about his mild "ticks".
"Did you worry about being able to get in here?" Michael asks him.
"To be honest, I did," replies John, "but I don't think I have it (tourette's) and I dont identify myself as having it. Yes, I do twitch more than other people but I don't think it is really a big part of me."
http://bigbrother.3mobile.com.au/diary/day_31.asp -- GrahamUK, 3rd July 2006.

But he said before that he had been to a doctor when he was young, and he wouldn't tell the housemates he had GTS if he himself questioned this. --JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 11:21, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Article length

The article is longer than recommended - any ideas for cutting it down to size? -- cds^(talk) 16:31, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Could make the facts into a new article. --JD^talk_email 16:35, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I was thinking that - either that, or the different countries, maybe? -- cds^(talk) 16:59, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

The facts are irrelevant; the countries section isn't. --JD^talk_email 17:13, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

It's less than 1kb over the recommended length, it's nothing to worry about. In my opinion, a few bytes is too little to make any difference, but if something has to be done, just trim down one of the sections - "Format" perhaps. — FireFox ^user_talk 17:29, 03 June '06

"All ways you can leave house"

Does anyone know what this actually means? It makes little sense to me. Should we allow it? Expand on it? Keep removing it? -- 9cds^(talk) 14:34, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I expect they mean that as well as normal evictions, there were also ejected for rule-breaking and people deciding to leave (I know one housemate left because their father was ill) but this surely can't the first time this happened. Bluejam 15:28, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Big Brother Australia

why was the 2002 for Australia - "First Big Brother to have a double eviction and all housemates nominated" deleted?

and would having a separate house of 6 intruders with the public voting in 3 to the main house in 2002 be a first as well?

Big Brother themes

Do, or have in the past, more than one country use a similar theme for their own Big Brother series? I'm sure the theme the US series had for their first season is similar to Germany or some other country like that. --JD^talk_email 18:14, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

New fact

Can we add "most housemates after 7 weeks - 13" in the big brother facts? This is in the current UK Big Brother (BB7)

No. Big Brother's 5 and 6 Germany had 15 Housemates at that stage. In fact they still had 15 Housemates when they got past the 40 week stage. GrahamUK 7th July 2006.

Okay, i didnt know that. Thanks for the fact.

Friday Night Live

I added Big Brother Aus's Friday Night Live to the peculiarities section, and it has been removed a couple of times on the basis that it's also used in other series. I don't know that much about the non-Australian series of Big Brother, but checking around the other articles the only thing I can see that is similar is the USA's Head of Household, which still seems fairly different from FNL. In any case, I think it's individual enough to warrant a mention in the peculiarities section. Cyclone49 14:05, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Renaming the Big Brother pages

I was thinking about renaming the Big Brother pages, so that they are closer to the official names, and so they aren't unnecessarily long. Something like Big Brother Australia 6, or Big Brother 6 Australia. What do other people think? --JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 15:20, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Sounds fine, but the latter of the two you suggested, with the country name at the end... ellisjm 15:22, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I should have said, the same for the main article pages? For the purpouse of staying with the official names, and all. --JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 15:25, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

D'you mean instead of Big Brother (UK), just Big Brother UK?? If so, fine... ellisjm 15:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah. --JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 15:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Disagree - a lot of work for what benefit? Surely they call it "Big Brother" in Oz, not "Big Brother Australia"? See WP:NAME also. If you do go ahead I would not take agreement here as enough - you'll need to at least discuss on each article page / use WP:RM. Thanks/wangi 15:30, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

The official name is Big Brother Australia, not Big Brother. I understand the normal way to name a television article is to have the name of the show, then the country after it; but the country is already in the show's official name. --JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 15:33, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Well their website seems to refer to it simply as "Big Brother", as does our article. /wangi 15:44, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I contacted Endemol a while ago, and they informed me that, for Big Brother Australia at least, the real name is Big Brother Australia. It's like Rove Live: people call it Rove, but it's real name is Rove Live. Just an example, though. --JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 15:47, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

"Facts"

I have removed this section. It doesn't contain facts, it contains mere trivia - which is not encyclopedic and none of which is referenced. Please see the following Wikipedia policies / guidelines:

• Wikipedia:Citing sources
• Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (in particular Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information)

Thanks/wangi 22:02, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

• • You reverted arguing:
    • Wikipedia:Citing sources >> There, it says: When to cite sources: If you add any information to an article, particularly if it's contentious or likely to be challenged, you should supply a source. And that's what we do here. See the particular case of Tourette's controversy.
    • Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (in particular Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information) >>> It says, among other things with nothing to do with this case, wikipedia is not: Lists of Frequently Asked Questions. Lists or repositories of loosely associated topics such as quotations, aphorisms, or persons (real or fictional). Travel guides. Memorials (wikipedia is not the place to honor departed friends and relatives). News reports. Genealogical entries, or phonebook entries - biography articles should only be for people with some sort of fame, achievement, or perhaps notoriety. Directories, directory entries, TV/Radio Guide or a resource for conducting business - wikipedia is not the yellow pages. Instruction manuals. Internet guides - wikipedia articles should not exist only to describe the nature, appearance or services a website offers. Textbooks and annotated texts. Plot summaries - wikipedia articles should not act solely as a summary of the plot of a work of fiction.; and the facts section is not none of these assumptions (including the previous allegation), therefore, I do not see any reason, so far, and basing it on your justifications, to eliminate the section. Pabs 01:46 CET 13 JULY 2006

Slight clarification - I didn't revert - I removed with justification; I didn't argue - I started a discussion.

Sorry if these words aren't the most appropiate, but I'm not English speaker and I try to express myself as correct as I can :-)

I stand by that these "facts" are pointless unecyclopedic trivia, and that they are unsourced. Your quote on sources actually proves my point - "When to cite sources: If you add any information to an article, particularly if it's contentious or likely to be challenged, you should supply a source". It's saying you should always add references, especially when the information is contentious (as those "facts" are). Thanks/wangi 00:18, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

The facts being 'pointless unecyclopedic' is just a personal appreciation. In fact, there are a lot of wikiarticles with trivia (as you called it) information. About adding sources for each and every information located in wikipedia, it's materially impossible to do. In fact, this does not become, and for that reason it remarks and makes it specific saying particulary, talking about controversial information. I do understand that kind of challenged information may need a source in order to center the debate, and that's what people use to do here. Pabs 3:01 CET 13-06-06

The information is contentious, because, well I feel it is - that's the definiton of contentious ;)

An interesting essay: Wikipedia:Fancruft. Thanks/wangi 14:09, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

=Deleted wikiboxes saying ...

• ...section does not cite its references or sources, because ...

when to cite sources according to wikipedia:

- when it goes on contentious information: who determines what contentious is or is not in any case? once determined that meaning with consensus, is [or isn't] each and every fact contentius or just some of them? In any case, the fact that provokes controversy or the community considers necessarily opportune a verification can be indicated in particular. In this case in individual, we're not talking about opinions, but about facts. Real facts that, by a chronological matter or because it has a wide complexity meaning, many of them don't have alive references in Internet. For example, what source can you remark for First Big Brother with all the housemates nominated: GH1 Spain or Season with fewest contestants: 10, BB1 USA, BB1 Sweden and GF1 Italy?

- when you quote someone: there is no quotation.

- disputed test: all the dispute here is about the sources, not the facts. And when a fact is disputed, you can add the command to remark it when it needs a citation.

• ... the importance of the section: There is no official policy on notability or importance. And wikipedia says: An article is "important" enough to be included in Wikipedia if any one of the following is true: 1. There is evidence that a reasonable number of people are, were or might be simultaneously interested in the subject. This section is the one with most edits and the main article is edited several times every day. And last but not least, that wikibox says If you are familiar with it, please expand the section, or discuss its significance on the talk page. and I don't see any debate or propose about it in here.

Greetings! Pabs, 22:04 CET 17-06-06

The infobox's usage on Big Brother articles

A straw poll is taking place on this page about whether the current infobox used on Big Brother series articles should stay, or if the one previously in use should be used again. Users are encouraged to vote, but are not obligated to. If you have the time, please look at the straw poll. --JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 21:49, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Pete Bennett

Why is a second form of Tourette syndrome there for Pete Bennett of Big Brother 7 UK? This all started because somebody thought he was the first Big Brother housemate to have had GTS, but when that was proven to be incorrect it was changed. Since then, people have fought over it, and somebody's tried to end this by branching it out into a second form. As far as I can see, this hasn't been done for any other fact or piece of pointless information that's there. Has it actually been said or proven that he has Coprolalia form of Tourette? Who are we to define more than one type of this, unless Pete himself, or a reputable source, has said this? Even if it is true, we can't define more than one type of GTS, because no type has been defined for John Bric of Big Brother 2006 Australia. Why can't this just be removed and forgotten about? —JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 17:52, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree to a certain extent. We're getting to the stage that it's nearly as bad as saying "First housemate with Blonde hair", or "First housemate with a surname beginning with 'S'". — FireFox ^(talk) _{17:55, 31 July '06}

I also agree. I would also argue that the John Bric tourettes fact should be removed as it was minor and did not have any significance to his stay in the house. I think that the facts should be Big Brother related (ie eviction percentages, numbers of housemates etc.) and things like illnesses should only be listed if it made an impact on their stay in the house or was promoted by the show (for example I would have no problem with Kenny from BB5 Belgium being listed as having HIV as it was part of the shows promotion). Grahamuk 20:19, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I was considering removing it earlier, but wanted to see what people would say here first. —JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 20:21, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

OK. John's tourette's wasn't really a major part of him, but Pete's tourette's is a major part of him. He has coprolalia because in one of the first BBLB's, a guy from the tourette association or something was talking about pete's condition and mentioned that Pete hs coprolalia... godgoddingham333 21:11, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay, fair enough. But according to the Wikipedia article, coprrolalia isn't a form of GTS; it's only a characteristic. Unless this can be proven otherwise, the fact that Pete has GTS can't be added, but the fact that he has coprolalia may be worthy of insertion. —JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 21:14, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

See my "Facts" section above, which basically got shat on by another editor, and my concerns ridiculed. Worth considering: WP:TRIVIA. Thanks/wangi 21:17, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

You're not alone on thinking the Facts sections on Big Brother articles shouldn't be there, but the fact is it looks like they are staying, whether we want them or not. While I don't actually have a problem with their being there, it's the fact that pieces of information, like this for example, are causing arguments and revert wars. There are also other things that don't need to be there, and other stuff that should be on the individual Big Brother series articles. —JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 21:21, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Camilla Severi - Nominate 11 Times for eviction. Thats a record.

Ok, she was up 11 times.

She survived 10,

There has to be a record in there somewhere.

How about, Most Survived Evictions: 10.

I know i have my facts right, but you dont state the rules on how the most nominations works, she was up 11 times, clearly thats enough proof.

Nominations involve housemates deciding who goes up for eviction, not Big Brother putting them up himself. The page already has enough ridiculous facts; why don't we have Bree's eviction record as well? John and Ashley's first alleged sexual assault? First birthday in the house? First female presenter. We don't need this fact, heck, we don't need half the ones that are there now. —JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 13:36, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

1. Most times up for eviction: 9, Nok, BB2 Thailand & Camilla Severi, BB6 Australia
2. Most successive times nominated for eviction: 9, Nok, BB2 Thailand

Camilla was UP for eviction 11 times.

She was nominated 9 times. So shouldnt it say

1. Most times up for eviction: 11, Camilla Severi, BB6 Australia
2. Most successive times nominated for eviction: 9, Nok, BB2 Thailand, Camilla Severi, BB6 Australia.

Camilla nominations:

1st >> Day 17 >> Camilla, Karen & Krystal >> 1st survived

2nd >> Day 24 >> Camilla, Anna, Ashley, David & Krystal >> 2nd survived

3rd >> Day 31 >> Camilla, John & Michael >> 3rd survived

4th >> Day 38 >> Camilla, Dino, Jade, John & Krystal >> 4th survived

5th >> Day 45 >> Camilla, Danielle & Rob >> 5th survived

6th >> Day 59 >> Camilla, Jamie & Rob >> 6th survived

7th >> Day 66 >> Camilla, David, Gaelan & Krystal >> 7th survived

8th >> Day 80 >> Camilla, Darren, David & Krystal >> 8th survived

9th >> Day 94 >> Camilla, Chris, David & Max >> 9th survived

Times nominated: 9

Survived nominations: 9

Successive nominations: 5 (from 1st to 5th)

The only new fact should be Most nominations survived: 9, Camilla Severi, BB6 Australia, as the others are already there: Most times nominated for eviction: 9, Nok, BB2 Thailand & Camilla Severi, BB6 Australia; Most successive times nominated for eviction: 9, Nok, BB2 Thailand; Most successive nominations survived: 8, Kiko Hernández, GH3 Spain & Nok, BB2 Thailand -2006- . But lets wait to get all the data from BB Russia... ;-) Pabs, 15:18 CET 03-006

Shouldn't it say up for eviction, instead of nominated for eviction? Anybody can be nominated for eviction, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're a potential evictee. —JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 13:24, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm not English speaker and I don't get the difference between to be up for eviction and to be nominated for eviction. Can you explain it better? Pabs, 20:10 CET 03-08-06

The nominations process involves housemates nominating other housemates for eviction. To say that a housemate is nominated for eviction isn't very specific, as anybody who receives a nomination point from another housemate is nominated. If the fact refers to housemates that face eviction, changing the word nominated to up shows that the housemate had enough nomination points to have potentially been evicted for that particular week. —JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 18:16, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

• well I finally found the way to post on this page and here is the eagerly awaited proof for this annoying user called Pabs (is that a controllfreak or what?

Anastasia Yagaylova from BB Russia has not just been the youngest winner of this show ever, she also shares the record with Camilla Severini to get nominated by her fellow housemates the most times (10):

Round 1 nominated: Vanessa (evicted), Georgiy (left), Anna, Anstasia,

Round 2: Galina, Dimitri, Arkady, Oleya P. (evicted), Anastasia

Round 3: Dimitri, Arkady, Anna (evicted), Anastasia

Round 5: Dimitri Donskov, Nadezhda, Galina (evicted), Dimitri Zadorozhny, Olesya, Eugeniya, Anastasia

Round 6: Dimitri D., Nadezhda (evicted), Dimitri Z., Olesya, Eugeniya, Anastasia

Round 7: Dimitri D., Sergej, Dimitri Z. (evicted), Olesya, Eugeniya, Anastasia

Round 9: Olesya, Vasily, Eugeniya, Ivan (evicted), Anastasia

Round 10: Dimitri D. (evicted), Sergej, Olesya, Anastasia

Round 11: Sergej, Olesya, Vasily (evicted), Eugeniya, Anastasia

Round 12 (even if there were just four people in the house by that time and it was the last round to nominate they made a pact and nominated each other so that everyone was up for eviction): Sergej, Olesya, Eugeniya (evicted), Anastasia

Ok, i know what you mean, how she said she isnt evicting anyone, but obviously Camilla was evicted, as when she was told the final tally, they went, and with 47%, you were evicted...

Gretel only needed to say one more thing and that was announcing the winner, but technically she was up for eviction to be evicted. It said Final Sunday Eviction because it was the last sunday, but the next day was also an eviction as 1 person had to leave the house and leave the other by themselves.

Big Brother 3 Australia - 2 houses.

BIg Brother 3 Australia had 2 houses.

Shouldnt that be classed as a first as the first series to have 2 houses running in full operation at the exact same time.

Trust me, the polls down the middle is not two houses, BB3 had literally, TWO HOUSES.

Shouldnt it be classed as a first?

No, it was not a first. And, please, relevant information... Pabs, 14:58 CET 03-08-06

So which country did the exact same twist as we did before us?

And how isnt it relevant?

You editing mods or whatever, are not very clear to people when they ask a question.

Greece, for example. Sorry if I'm not clear enough to you, but this question was already several times replied here. Greets. Pabs, 13:13 CET 08-08-06

Again, this is not proof....do you have evidence that Greece BB started before BB3 Australia?

AND, would you please answer this question!! HOW ISNT IT RELEVANT!?!?!?

And be clear, dont twist your ways out of answering questions.

Greece 3 started on 9th March 2003 and BB3 Australia on 27th April 2003. [Here] you can see the BB3GRE's TV rating for its premiere. As you can see, it's day 9th March 2003.

About relevance, I repeat what I said before: I'm not the one deciding anything. It is Wikipedia. Read: "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of items of information. That something is 100% true does not mean it is suitable for inclusion in an encyclopedia. Data should be relevant to a reasonable number of people. Some use the definition of "The state or quality of being eminent or worthy of notice." So you can open a poll to decide if that question has been that important in the evolution and history of the Big Brother format and we'll see if that is relevant to a reasonable number of people. I think I know the result of that poll right now ;) Pabs, 15.20 CET 16-09-06

Umm....that site is in complete Greek, i can't read that, how do i know your not lying to me?...but that isnt the case...i asked for proof wether they actually had 2 houses in that series as well.

Also, i think it is relevant to mention because you have in the 2005 facts section "Big Brother Village" - BB Germany....if 2 houses (which is before the village) is not allowed to be recognised as relevant information, then i dont think the Village should be recognised then.

bb india

why does someone keep deleting my entry confirming the production of the indian big brother in nov 2006? it is true, and i have proof!

Every news report I have seen is that BB India in November will be a Celebrity Big Brother, so the details are on the Celebrity/VIP page. If you have proof that it is going to be a normal BB with members of the public, can you provide the link here. Thanks. Grahamuk 17:36, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

well it might be just with Celebrities but why shouldn't they change the rules a little bit for their own country? if there will never be an indian season with normal people will you never include this? the usa had changed the rules of BB and are still included, in most countries "Celebrity Big Brother" is a special season but it seems that in India they are going with this as their regular format - this will be their first and original season and so it should be included, deal with it. Shameless 11:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Anastasia nominations

About user Shameless introducing facts on Anastasia nominations > First of all that's not a matter on to be a queen because there is no kingdom to have. I do not have any special interest in Nok nor in any other contestant of BB, but when you introduce a information, this one must be truthful and verified previously. If you know that well the Russian nominations, so why don't you respond my request? I particularly don't know the data about Anastasia's nomination and that's why ask you this. In which weeks and competing with who was Anastasia nominated? Here we had a soft controversy with Camilla and we showed the data on her nominations evolution. Please, do the same and then we will be able to correct the errors. I'm getting that data, and when I know it faithfully, I'll change the facts if it's necessary (me or any other person who can verify that information) If you are the person knowing all that thing that correctly, please, inform us about that in order to we be able to change it as soon as possible. Better than make suppositions on the things that I do or I do not do is to verify the information you want to introduce. I invite to you to do it. You shall understand that your word is not sufficient credit for me. Pabs, 21:03 CET 10-08-06

I repeat, in which weeks and competing with who was nominated Anastasia? You already failed in round 8 so it's possible you are wrong in the others, too... for that reason I invite to you to respond here. Your word still is not a refuted source of information to me. Until you don't write here the evolution of the nominations of Anastasia, in order that I can resist and compare your data with mine, and thus verify it or not, I will keep on reverting this information. And my facts are correct, the one that introduced mistaken information was you, not me. By the way, Camilla was involved in 9 nominations, see information above. Pabs, 22:21 CET 11-08-06

To write a list of numbers and to assure that those are the weeks in which she was nominated is not a proof. I also can say that Heidi was nominated in the weeks 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14 in Big Brother Whatever and not to be true. Greetings! Pabs, 15:14 CET 14-08-06

• well I finally found the way to post on this page and here is the eagerly awaited proof for this annoying user called Pabs (is that a controllfreak or what?

Anastasia Yagaylova from BB Russia has not just been the youngest winner of this show ever, she also shares the record with Camilla Severini to get nominated by her fellow housemates the most times (10):

Round 1 nominated: Vanessa (evicted), Georgiy (left), Anna, Anstasia,

Round 2: Galina, Dimitri, Arkady, Oleya P. (evicted), Anastasia

Round 3: Dimitri, Arkady, Anna (evicted), Anastasia

Round 5: Dimitri Donskov, Nadezhda, Galina (evicted), Dimitri Zadorozhny, Olesya, Eugeniya, Anastasia

Round 6: Dimitri D., Nadezhda (evicted), Dimitri Z., Olesya, Eugeniya, Anastasia

Round 7: Dimitri D., Sergej, Dimitri Z. (evicted), Olesya, Eugeniya, Anastasia

Round 9: Olesya, Vasily, Eugeniya, Ivan (evicted), Anastasia

Round 10: Dimitri D. (evicted), Sergej, Olesya, Anastasia

Round 11: Sergej, Olesya, Vasily (evicted), Eugeniya, Anastasia

Round 12 (even if there were just four people in the house by that time and it was the last round to nominate they made a pact and nominated each other so that everyone was up for eviction): Sergej, Olesya, Eugeniya (evicted), Anastasia

• • I think the annoying is the one that does not introduce the asked information and when he does it, does it wrong, like now. That information in inaccurate. You missed Anastasia Gluchenko and Arkady's evictions, also Vasily was not evicted but he left the house voluntarily after knowing Anastasia became pregnant, and you also missed Anton's departure. But with the (few) correct data you introduced I could test the information I had and finally we know that Anastasia was up for eviction ten times. And that is what I asked you to proof, so thanks!Pabs
    • why should I list either Anton's departure, Anastasia G.'s or Arkadys eviction? They weren't nominated with Anastasia Y. so there nominatios are not relevant to the subject we discussed. And if you know everything about that why didn't you included Anastasia's record earlier but let me list this all and delete it a thousand times before from the article page? Kind of childish behaviour, don't you think?Shameless

First incorrect eviction

It's listed that Klaudiusz Sevkowič instead of Alicja Walczak, BB1 Poland was the first incorrect eviction on BB but I am not sure if this is true. If I remeber right it was the case that they had such a little number of votes in difference but it has already been Klaudiusz who slightly lost this nomination and garnered like 10 votes more or so. Because it was that close he was sent back in the house and they let those two competite against each other for another time which he lost with a more obvious result. Like I said, I am not 100% sure if that was right but I think it happened like this - someone from Poland should make a research for this. If it's not this is the incorrect eviction of Bree (BB AU 4) the worlds first? I mean not that I would think every other BB eviction worldwide had been correct (especially Germany has some suspicious results in it's voting history) |shameless

Last changes

• Anastasia's nominations: Still waiting for the data user 89.57.184.5 started to introduce. Thanks for the data!
• Changed nominated for up for eviction in order to count that times when a houseguest is up for eviction without being nominated by anyone. Like the final round in Australia (That's the reason of Camilla's controversy about 9 - 10 nominations.) or first weeks in BB3 Netherlands. when all the housemates face the public being automatically nominated.
• Deleted Michael Ellis and Jennifer Dedmon, half-brother and half-sister (They share the same father) of Big Brother 5 USA, as Italian was first.
• Reverted Groot Boer Koekeloer as that name was never used by the show.
• Deleted First contestant to celebrate his birthday in the house: Bart Spring in 't Veld, BB1 Netherlands (turned 23) fact as is has no importance on the historic evolution of the show. That's not a matter of first, so please don't introduce First time the garden was watered, First time a housemate brush the teeth or First time a glass was washed.
  • Since when are YOU deciding what is important or not? Are you the founder/owner of Wikipedia? Is that your personal right to put other person's work up and down? Perhaps there are people who are interested in reading this? It's certainly as interesting as some formal records who are due to be broken with the formats various changes, birthday is something you will celebrate your whole life.
    • First of all: chill, dude. You'll get a headache :). I'm not the one deciding anything. It is Wikipedia. Read: "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of items of information. That something is 100% true does not mean it is suitable for inclusion in an encyclopedia. Data should be relevant to a reasonable number of people. Some use the definition of "The state or quality of being eminent or worthy of notice." So you can open a poll to decide if Bart's birthday has been that important in the evolution and history of the Big Brother format and we'll see if that is relevant to a reasonable number of people. I think I know the result of that poll right now ;) Pabs
      • seems like you might know everything right before it happens right? You should make money with this gift seriously and not waste your time to fight with some irrelevant internet dudes ;)

okay so if you're not interested in the human curiosities of the show what about the record of the first time when a housemate was nominated by all his fellow housemates or so? wouldn't that be interesting?shameless

• Deleted First country to get a 2nd BB Show franchised by Endemol: Germany (Der Container Exklusiv) as is not true. Nice People in France was first.
• Deleted * Shortest time for a regular housemate to stay in the house: 7 hours, Petra, BB5 Germany fact as is not true. There are several with less time in the house, like GH6 Spain Mercedes, with just 2 hours.

Pabs, 22:26 CET 17-08-06

Big Brother 5 Australia - Logan Twins

These 2 contestants, were competing together. And were announced the winners of Big Brother 5, and the first Twins to ever win Big Brother around the world...

why was this deleted, and dont tell me its not relevant as i have seen the BBUS 5 - First Twins Competing Fact there the year before.

Camilla Severi

• Most times up for eviction: 10, Anastasia Yagaylova, BB1 Russia & Camilla Severi, BB6 Australia -2006-
• Most times up for eviction survived: 10, Anastasia Yagaylova, BB1 Russia & Camilla Severi, BB6 Australia -2006-

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Why is Camilla from BB06 AU in these facts? If the "record" was set in 2005, she doesn't deserve credit for it, does she? Unless the section is done in a way that I'm unfamiliar with. _{talk to} JD ^{wants e-mail} 13:14, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi! Camilla's there because there are two kind of facts: one when is about the first time, or the firsts, like First incorrect eviction, First pregnant housemate or First twins competing. As it's talking about the first time something happens, only can be done once. But when we talk about the other kind of facts, or the -ests, like Most..., Lowest..., Shortest..., Highest..., Longest... we will have more than one, as it can be reached several times. It should be unfair to mention one and not to mention the other being the same fact. Pabs, 16:08 CET 19 August 2006

Thanks for explaining that for me. _{talk to} JD ^{wants e-mail} 14:09, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Camilla was up 11 Times (including the Finale) 10 times not including the finale, as the finale consisted of 2 people, one more person was still being evicted, and she was Evicted, so would Camilla get her own part of it?

Please don't edit other users' comments. _{J Di}^talk 04:56, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me, i made the Camilla Severi section, only someone made another one. And you didnt actually answer my question.

Camilla was up 11 Times (including the Finale) 10 times not including the finale, as the finale consisted of 2 people, one more person was still being evicted, and she was Evicted, so would Camilla get her own part of it?

and answer me, dont just let us sitting and waiting, you people are very rude and wont explain yourselves properly.

Nothing gives you the right to edit other users' comments, and this section asked about something unrelated to the section you created. Your question looks pretty answered in that section, but I'll give you an answer anyway. I don't think Finale counts, as at the end of Final Sunday Eviction, which was shown the day before Finale, Gretel Killeen said that there would be no more evictions, and that on the next day (Finale), they would be announcing the winner of Big Brohter 2006. _{J Di}^talk 08:56, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

First female to win BB

Anjelica Freij was the first woman to win Big Brother in December 2000. That was more than a year after the first Big Brother show started. Why shouldn't we include this fact?

Because women are not inferior to men in the game of Big Brother, and the fact that a female winner wasn't announced in the first year wasn't because of any rule or impediment, except for getting evicted instead of saved. _{talk to} JD ^{wants e-mail} 22:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

First couple compiting

The first Big Brother with a couple competing was BB2 Germany with Daniela and Karim, they were married

• not true. they didn't knew each other before BB. Daniela was even engaged with another guy but felt in love with Karim in the house. They married later one. Shameless

Aaaa, ok!, Sorry!

Merge with Head Of Household (Big Brother)

No point to keep these two seperate. Head Of Household (Big Brother) consists of descriptive content that would be better suited to the Format section here. (|-- UlTiMuS 01:39, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Strongly agree! It's confusing as two --Bill.matthews 03:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Disagree. HoH is a format twist wich is not extended in all over the world's verions of the reality, just in a few. I think it's more correct to merge it with BB USA as it's original from there. HoH has nothing to do with BB Africa, Argentina, Switzerland, Sweden, South Africa, Russia, etc etc etc... till 90% of BBs created.Pabs, 12.45 CET, 29-08-2006

I'm with Pabs on this, with a few small exceptions it's a concept only really relevant to BB USA. Bluejam 12:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

In addition, that HoH article is about HoH IN THE USA... and this BB article talks about Big Brother AROUND THE WORLD (yes, there is a world beyond USA boundaries), so it won't fit with this.Pabs, 16.56 CET, 29-08-2006

Well, actually, if i am not mistaken, many countries around the world have a HoH format in their game.

BBAUS has one, the winner of FNL, gets a room, gets to allocate jobs and gets to effect nominations.

The article was talking about HoH in USA. This article is about Big Brother around the world. Greetings :) Pabs, 15.15 CET 16-09-06

Friday Night Live is not Head of Household, nor are the prizes. Friday Night Live prizes are a luxury that the winner of the Friday Night Games gets for three days. If I understand correctly, Head of Household's powers go as far as evicting a houseguest. _{J Di}^talk 19:54, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

The Head of House rarely has the power to evict a Housemate. In USA the HoH has the power to nominate both housemates. In Brazil the HoH has the power to nominate 1 of the housemates. In Spain the HoH has the power to save one of the nominees and in previous seasons had the power to deduct points from a nominee. Whilst the Friday Night Games winner is not refered to specifically as the Head of House, the powers that they obtain are similar to the powers of the HoH in other countries. GrahamUK 21:02, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

If Head of Household is used in that many countries, I think it should stay on its own article, but say where it was originally used (was this conversation still discussing that?). The article focuses too much on Big Brother America though, could somebody fix that? _{J Di}^talk 21:13, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Merge this with BBUSA page. --Howard the Duck 11:03, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Swedish Jessica Lindström up for eviction 10 times?

I might have missed something but since when has Jessica L. been up for eviction ten times? If I am not wrong it has been eight times in total.

Hi! Here's Jessica's nominations. In the final rounds the last remaining housemates get nominated automatically, like happens in Australia, when Camilla was automatically nominated on Day 96 (26th July) with the other contestants; in Bulgaria, Germany, Norway and Finland, with all the housemates up for eviction in the last two rounds.

Day 6th Feb -- N1 > JESSICA, Linn & Morten > Morten evicted

Day 20th Feb -- N2 > JESSICA, Angelica, Anton & Linn > Angelica evicted

Day 27th Feb -- N3 > JESSICA, Daniel W & Wenche > Wenche evicted

Day 6th Mar -- N4 > JESSICA, Daniel W & Muffe > Muffe evicted

Day 27th Mar -- N5 > JESSICA, Samuel & Therese > Therese evicted

All up for eviction by BB

Day 23rd Apr -- N6 > JESSICA, Anna, Anton, Carina, Linn, Richard, Robin, Samuel & Thommy > Samuel evicted

Day 24th Apr -- N7 > JESSICA, Anna & Thommy > Thommy evicted

Since here, automathically up for eviction

Day 14th May -- N8 > JESSICA, Anna, Anton, Carina, Daniel, Linn & Richard > Carina evicted

Day 18th May -- N9 > JESSICA, Anna, Anton, Daniel, Linn & Richard > Anna evicted

Day 20th May -- N10 > JESSICA, Anton, Daniel, Linn & Richard > Linn evicted

Pabs, 16.25 CET 04-09-2006

well on N6 + N10, as you count it, people voted for their favorites and didn't evicted anyone so I don't think we should count this?

yes, there were eviction each and every round, but instead of voting in negative that was positive voting, something common in the last BB's around the world.Pabs

I still say we shouldn't count automated nominations by BB since then Nicole2.0 from BB 5 Germany would had set the record with being up for eviction 11 times (was evitced on her 11th round). Out of those 11 times she was up 7 times automatically with all the other housemates. But since you have count it for Jessica this might be the same for Nicole too. Shameless

Hi! Since it was counted for Camilla, it should be too for Jessica, so now Nicole has the record. I think one of the housemates of BB5 and BB6 Germany should have that nominations record as that seasons last for a whole year, but I don't know who was the most nominated housemate in that two seasons. I'm collecting this information now. So I think we can say Nicole has the record, at least so far. Pabs, 18.27 CET 08-09-06

First HIV infected contestant...Relevant?

Is it really relevant to state this?

if we dont include for housemate with tourettes syndrom, i dont think we should have this.

"World First" Double Eviction

Does anybody know the date of the first Double Eviction, and where it was? jd || talk || 15:40, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I am fairly certain that it was on 29th October 2000 when Masha & Nadim were evicted from BB1 Switzerland. I have records of all BB's that took place before that with the exception of BB1 Sweden, so unless there was a double eviction in BB1 Sweden then Switzerland was the first. Grahamuk 16:12, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, then it was sweden (when they choosed between three who is becoming Johans replacment) since Switzerland's wasn't a double eviction. Actually only Masha was evicted, Nadim decided to go with her. Of course he was her fellow-nominee but he didn't even got the 2nd most votes (that was Conny). I remember this season so well since I have barely missed any episode from it - Nadim was so popular and a favorite to win until wicked witch Masha entered the house and they became a couple - from that moment they were really hated. Shameless 11:20, 11 October 2006 (MEZ)

Oh and just for your trackrecord, here are all the elminations and exits from Sweden's first season:

Week 1: Daniel - Quit (Replacement: Christoffer)

Week 2: Eva - Quit (Replacement: Karin)

Round 1: Anna & Jessica nominated - Jessica evited

Round 2: Angelica & Christoffer - Christoffer evicted

Round 3: Johan & Karin - Karin evicted

Week 8: Johan - Quit (Replacement to be choosen between three)

Round 4: Angelica & Ole - Ole evicted

Special round for choosing Johan's replacement: Christoffer (re-entry), Camilla & George - Camilla & George evicted by the Housemates <---first double elmination ever!

Round 5: Angelica & Per - Per evicted

Round 6: Angelica, Anna, Christoffer & Paula - Anna evicted

Final three: Angelica, Christoffer, Paula - Christoffer 2nd runner-up, Paula 1st runner-up, Angelica winner (+ first female ever to win BB)

Thank you so much Shameless, I've added the info to my website. Grahamuk 20:11, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

What made Big Brother Australia's first Double Eviction a World First then? _JD^talk 18:29, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, problaby the ignorance of australian BB Producers? LOL Shameless 00:40, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

The same thing that made their mother/daughter twist a world first. The definition the Australian producers seem to have is, if it has never been done before in Austalia it is a world first, regardless of how many times it's has been done before in other countries. Grahamuk 01:02, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Same can be said about German's BB organizers who hyped this girl from season two winning as the first woman who had ever done this - although three were ahead of her (counting Bianca from the Netherlands who won earlier that night). Later the host corrected himself but still got the wrong answer with saying Switzerland would had been the only country were a woman had won by that time. Shameless 11:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Big Brother India

Can we have an addition into the main page for the new Big Brother India series? It's starting on 3rd November 2006 on Sony TV and it's going to be called "Bigg Boss". The website for that is www.biggboss.in

The entry for Bigg Boss India is on the VIP page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Brother_VIP) as it is to be a Celebrity Edition. BTW, the website you have said is a Fan Site, the official site address at the moment is http://www.setindia.com/shows/shows_inside.php?id=74 Grahamuk 01:24, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if that website is just a fansite. Indian media is reporting about that site so much. Look at these links. Greetings. Pabs 17.02 CET 02 Nov 2006

They have removed the references to fansite now. Although I still don't think it is the official website as they talk about Sony as if they are separate to the site. There is also no copyright Sony or Endemol notices which I would expect on an official site or any links to it from the Sony TV site. I'm sure we will find out one way or the other when the show launches tomorrow. Grahamuk 00:02, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I can't believe that Bigg Boss doesn't have it's own site by now - what a disappointment it would be if this happens to be the official only, what I hope its not. Maybe they are going to launch it later on. Shameless 11:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)