Talk:Bieber (disambiguation)

Latest comment: 7 years ago by JudgeRM in topic Requested move 29 December 2016

Requested Move

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{{movenotice}} It should be moved to the title Bieber (disambiguation) because it is a disambiguation page and is not listed as such. Thank you. Cyberdog958 (talk) 07:44, 28 April 2011 (UTC)Reply

Anti-bieber vandalism

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Top line was vandalized to read: Bieber commonly refers to Justin Bieber (born 1994 - died 2011), Canadian gay "singer".

Someone vandalized it and after a user undid the edit, another restored the vandalized line. Ok, guys, seriously, do you think THIS is funny? (You probably do) We ALL get the fact that Justin Bieber is a complete d**chebag and can't even make one good song, but can we NOT insult him on any Bieber-related stuff on Wikipedia? Why can't you just do that on sites like Uncyclopedia or Encyclopedia Dramatica? And, NO, I do NOT like Justin Bieber! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.242.135.138 (talk) 00:01, 13 June 2011 (UTC)Reply

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: not moved, lacking data showing the users looking for Justin are doing so by the name "Bieber" alone. Creating a redirect Bieber (singer) and using it on the dab page (only) to facilitate traffic stat collection later may sway subsequent discussions. -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:25, 2 September 2013 (UTC)Reply


BieberBieber (disambiguation) – When people search for Bieber, they're looking for Justin Bieber. I believe that "Bieber" should redirect to his page and this page be moved to "Bieber (disambiguation)" GeicoHen (talk) 00:38, 25 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

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Requested move 2

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The result of the move request was: moved and Bieber retargeted to Justin Bieber. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 09:08, 25 November 2013 (UTC)Reply



BieberBieber (disambiguation) – Over the past 90 days, 877 people have viewed this disambiguation page. 848 of them then clicked on the link to Justin Bieber's article (the redirect Bieber (singer), which only appears on this disambiguation page). I'm pretty sure 848/877 (96%) satisfies our usage criteria to determine a primary topic, so I propose we move this article to a disambiguation page and redirect Bieber to Justin Bieber. (See also Gretsky, Hendrix, Jágr, etc...) --Relisted. Steel1943 (talk) 06:53, 4 November 2013 (UTC) Red Slash 02:46, 22 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

  • Comment, while on the face of it this is persuasive evidence, I always suspected the quality of stats is dubious. For example, on Oct 15, there were 57 hits for Bieber (singer), while on the same day there were only 29 hits for Bieber. Obviously, either A) something is very, very wrong with how the stats are collected or with our understanding of what they actually represent or B) not all of the traffic for Bieber (singer) came from the dab page. The same sort of phenomena can be seen quite markedly on Oct 8 and Oct 19 and on several other days to a lesser extent. olderwiser 03:12, 22 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

    PS, for what it's worth, Bieber (singer) now appears third in the drop-down list when searching for "bieber", so it is not at all unlikely that at least some portion of readers are getting to that redirect from places other than the disambiguation page. Not actually sure how much this changes the picture for the proposed move, since the overall figures are still telling, even if some portion must be discounted. olderwiser 03:18, 22 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

!! Wow. I never even considered that. Wow. I think you might be right. I completely forgot to consider that searches might take people to JB's page from Bieber (singer) without stopping by here first. Red Slash 21:40, 22 October 2013 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose - apples and oranges, Gretsky, Hendrix, Jágr, are debatable (personally I'm against all 3 being used in this way, since mononomymic usage is unsupported in reliable sources) but Bieber is not only not used as a mononym in reliable sources, it also has other uses - unlike Gretsky, California, River Hendrix, village Jágr. No one should write or link "Bieber" in an encyclopedia. Particularly when we have Christopher Bieber (born 1989), German footballer, David Bieber (born 1966), American convicted murderer, Frederick Bieber (born 1953), American medical geneticist, Friedrich Bieber (-1924), Austrian anthropologist in Ethiopia, Irving Bieber (1909–1971), American psychoanalyst, Jodi Bieber (born 1966), South African photographer, Margarete Bieber (1879–1978), German American art historian, Martin Bieber (1900–1974), German World War II officer, Matthias Bieber (born 1986), Swiss ice hockey player, Nita Bieber (born 1926), American actress, Owen Bieber (born 1929), American trade union president In ictu oculi (talk) 03:22, 22 October 2013 (UTC)Reply
As for grokstats and page views.... If we follow these en.wikipedia will be a pop music blog with a bit of extra info about sport. Almost all Primary topics and all surnames will be pointing to the primary popstar. That is the meaning of "pop" = popular. Justin Bieber is more popular than rivers called Bieber, we know this. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:39, 22 October 2013 (UTC)Reply
(ec) But consider this, the traffic for all of the "other" persons surnamed Bieber totaled 12,808 for the last 90 days. Justin had 1,420,937 views in the period. All the other entries on the disambiguation page totaled 3132 for the last 90 days. Taken together with the other surnames, that is 15940, which is about 90 times less that the traffic for Bieber. I'm ordinarily skeptical of placing too much emphasis on traffic stats, but this seems to pretty clearly surpass any reasonable threshold. olderwiser 03:44, 22 October 2013 (UTC)Reply
That link didn't work for me, though it looks fine. "I'm going to see Bieber" should work. Oddly enough, the first hit is wrong, but the rest back you up. --BDD (talk) 16:52, 31 October 2013 (UTC)Reply
Fixed (URI encoding). -- JHunterJ (talk) 18:33, 31 October 2013 (UTC)Reply
  • Support. In another ten or twenty years, when interest has faded from the teenage star, things may be different, but at present it is quite clear what people searching for "Bieber" are overwhelmingly likely to be looking for. olderwiser 16:23, 31 October 2013 (UTC)Reply
  • Support, for all the reasons given in support above. Primary meanings can change over time; as it stands, the singer is primary for this term. bd2412 T 13:39, 5 November 2013 (UTC)Reply
  • Support. I personally oppose this for style reasons but it certainly meets the primary topic yard(0.914m)sticks. I applaud the nominator for using the redirect Bieber (singer) to test the percentage of users seeking the singer. If the superfluous Bieber (surname) article is merged with the disambiguation page, few users will have to click any more than they do now. —  AjaxSmack  23:52, 7 November 2013 (UTC)Reply
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Primary phrasing

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Even though we usually link to the base name, even if it's a redirect, we opt for the person's name instead for surnames like this. See MOS:DABPRIMARY and Mozart (disambiguation). -- JHunterJ (talk) 18:39, 25 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

Merge

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Hi, so I merged the very short Bieber (surname) disambiguation page (~12 entries) onto this page so that those typing in "bieber" would only have to make one click from this disambiguation page to find the person they were looking for. User:JHunterJ reverted and I'm not sure why. How does it help readers to hide the surnames on yet another disambiguation page when adding them here does not add an unwieldy amount of entries to the article? I'd love to know. Red Slash 00:56, 5 December 2013 (UTC)Reply

Bieber (surname) isn't a disambiguation page, but a surname list article. User:Xezbeth split it from the disambiguation page back in February. This page, disambiguating "Bieber", wouldn't include those name-holders who aren't commonly referred to by just the surname -- those are just partial title matches. If you want to dig into it deeper, there's Wikipedia:WikiProject Anthroponymy/Home backup#Background reading. -- JHunterJ (talk) 02:40, 5 December 2013 (UTC)Reply
So then, what, should I take it to AFD? It's pointless for that article to exist since it has no encyclopedic reason for being other than a list of names. It serves as a disambiguation page. Red Slash 05:15, 6 December 2013 (UTC)Reply
If you think that the surname is not encyclopedic, then yes, it would go to PROD or AfD or wherever. It doesn't serve as a disambiguation page, since disambiguation pages aren't lists of partial title matches. -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:36, 6 December 2013 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 29 December 2016

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus is that the Canadian singer Justin is the primary topic for the name Bieber; therefore, this will remain with (disambiguation) in the title. (non-admin closure) JudgeRM (talk to me) 19:38, 5 January 2017 (UTC)Reply



Bieber (disambiguation)Bieber – Not the only "Bieber" that exists. Retarget to Bieber (disambiguation). KATMAKROFAN (talk) 19:46, 29 December 2016 (UTC)Reply

This discussion was moved here from Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 29#Bieber since this is technically a move request per WP:DABNAME. Steel1943 (talk) 19:57, 29 December 2016 (UTC)Reply
Pinging KATMAKROFAN to let them know this discussion has moved here. Steel1943 (talk) 19:58, 29 December 2016 (UTC)Reply
  • What has changed since the last move request? Gorobay (talk) 20:23, 29 December 2016 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose - notwithstanding the previous discussion, some page-hit statistics from topics on the disambiguation page in the 90 days preceding this edit:
And from Bieber (surname):
It's pretty clear that the Canadian pop singer is the primary topic for people and things named "Bieber". Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:20, 30 December 2016 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose. Even if we assume that 100% of the 1,465 page views in the 90 days to 29 December for the Bieber redirect were from people who wanted a different topic (extremely unlikely) then Justin Bieber is still the primary topic by at least two orders of magnitude (according to Ivanvector's stats). Thryduulf (talk) 02:29, 31 December 2016 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose. Even as someone who is very definitely not a Justin Bieber fan, I can see that he is the primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:24, 4 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

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Rcat shell

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Why are you tryong to be a copy cat Yanela zulu n 07:39, 11 June 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yanela zulu n (talkcontribs)