Talk:Biddulph Valley line

Reverted edits

Nthep has reverted the inclusion of both the stations of Childerplay and of Bradley Green with regards to both the Wikipedia line template and also the stations named at the start section of the Wikipedia article on this line.

My source information of one of the very many line articles on "John Spellar's line articles" which have never been incorrect to the best of my knowledge and have their own entries that can be sourced on Google.

If my original entries are proved to be correct, I would like these to be reinstated on both the Wikipedia Line Template and on the Wikipedia article on the line.

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 08:31, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

@Xenophon Philosopher: The reason for my reversion is that I can find no other source except Spellar that mentions the existence of these two stations. They do not feature in any book on the NSR that I have access to and this include Christiansen and Miller's history from the 1970s; any of Basil Jeuda's more recent books on the NSR; any publications of the NSR Study Group; nor in Michael Quick's encyclopedic work on British railway stations. Neither is there any mention in any original NSR working timetables, other literature or contemporary maps.

I don't know where John Spellar gets his information from and I wouldn't hold his work up as a reliable source without more detail as to where he got the information from. Stations at Childerplay & Bradley Green may have been proposed (not that I've found any evidence of this either) and because of the existence of pits and sidings at both locations it's is entirely possible that workmen's trains may have worked to and from the pits but that is different from stating that stations or halts existed at these locations. I'm happy to discuss further with more information but Spellar's assertion just isn't supported by anything else at the moment. Nthep (talk) 14:09, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

I have sent an e-mail to John Spellar stating that both those two stations are shown in the text of his article on the line and have asked him to provide both the opening dates and the closing dates for those two stations.

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 17:50, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

It's not just dates but what is the source of his information? Without that his research is not more reliable than mine or yours as it's original research and unverifiable. Nthep (talk) 18:43, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

@Xenophon Philosopher: I've been looking through old RCHS journals and one possible source is that between 1873 and 1886 Black Bull was listed in Bradshaw as Black Bull Childerpool. Nthep (talk) 14:19, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

I still have received no answer from John Spellar to the e-mail that I sent to him, which I deem most discourteous of him, as it was information shown in his very own website article on this line that has led to all this discussion.

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 17:34, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Allan Baker's book on the Biddulph Valley line has finally been published. The only mention of Childerplay is as the site near to Black Bull where the first sod-cutting ceremony took place. Bradley Green was the site of a siding serving a colliery of the same name. It did feature in early WTTs but only as a stop for shunting purposes. No mention of either ever being a station (passenger or goods). Nthep (talk) 19:19, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Opening section

In the sentence in the 'Opening' section "It was also heavily promoted by the owners of local collieries, of these people were brothers James Bateman and John Bateman and the mayor of Congleton." ', of these people were brothers James Bateman and John Bateman and the mayor of Congleton.' makes little sense. The cited source has no mention of Bateman. Perhaps it should read "It was also heavily promoted by the owners of local collieries, including the brothers, James Bateman and John Bateman, and the mayor of Congleton." for clarity? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.93.238.76 (talk) 23:39, 24 May 2020 (UTC)