Talk:Ben Davis (footballer, born 2000)

Section header discussion

@183.90.36.86: The incident arises not because of his pending enlistment but of his intention to defer his enlistment. Subject matter is his deferment and not whether will he enlist or not. --Xaiver0510 (talk) 08:27, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

@153.176.141.69: Same as above. Also, please do not vandalise, altering newspaper article header to push personal views is vandalism on wikipedia. Of course, he is liable for national service as per others but this is not notable nor encyclopedic to put on wikipedia. Please refrain from inserting your personal point of view without sources. Let's discuss here on the talkpages before any more changes. We can bring in a neutral party to revert/change the article to a neutral point and update the article further with discussion. --Xaiver0510 (talk) 04:30, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Nationality

@Saucenr: Hi there, you have been changing the nationality of Ben Davis to Thai-English which is unsourced and we have multiple sources indicating he is Singaporean and not otherwise. As written in my edit summary, passport and international FIFA eligibility (which includes Singapore also) does not determine his nationality. Please do not vandalise the page anymore.--Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 02:10, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Sources do explicitly state that he holds three nationalities.[1] --Paul_012 (talk) 04:37, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Is there any other sources explicitly stating his citizenship? The Singapore main stream media (mainly The Straits Times and other associated newspaper) does not mention of any other citizenship held by him except for this single source. I went through most of the sources listed in his page and did not find any other mentions.--Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 06:05, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

This was covered during last year's row over the Singapore military service (Reuters wire article in the Bangkok Post[2], Fox Sports[3], BBC[4]). Thai sources covering his U23 call-up explicitly say triple nationality (Fox Sports[5], Matichon Online[6], Khaosod[7]). --Paul_012 (talk) 10:40, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

In any case, I think your argument that "passport and international FIFA eligibility does not determine his nationality" is unnecessary hair-splitting. It's obviously clear to me that the news articles saying he carries three passports and describing his birth and parentage meant for it to be inferred that he has those nationalities. --Paul_012 (talk) 10:46, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Your major English sources states the three passports and say he is Singaporean. Only the Thai sources indicate English/Thai/Singaporean. In view of the major sources, I think it will be better if we keep to the wording of the major sources. I am not splitting hair on this but inference on passports holding is nationality might be original research. Also, I brought the discussion of his nationality to the talkpage to build consensus and avoid WP:3RR. Pinging recent editors (except IP editors), @Saucenr:, @TheGreatSG'rean:, @Jane Dawson:, @Robertsky:, @Path slopu: for this discussion.--Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 01:44, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Quick question: Are holders of Thai and British passports automatically a citizen of the said nations? Does Davis fall under any possible classes of related people, but not citizens yet and still can have those passports? For Singapore, it is clear cut as his citizenship was reported before, and he cannot renounce his citizenship without serving NS or pay the defaulter's fine if he is too old to go. robertsky (talk) 05:35, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

@Robertsky: Quick google checks show to be eligible for Thai and British passports, the person has to be a citizen of the country. Singapore actually allows dual/multiple citizenship until 21 when the person has to decide which nationality he wants to hold. --Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 05:53, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

@Justanothersgwikieditor: In that case, all three nationalities should be stated in the lead until he either settles his default from NS and chooses to take up Singapore citizenship, or when at 21 and he does not take the Oath of Renunciation, Allegiance and Loyalty. robertsky (talk) 09:03, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

@Robertsky:Since other editors have no input, I am okay with this idea. Since Paul_012 had already edited it as such, we can stay with the three mentioned nationalities in the opening line. Thanks --Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 01:42, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

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