Talk:Belsky family (Gediminid)

Cleanup of section "The last Belskys"

I found (at end of the 3-graph section):

By his wife, Ivan Chelyadnin's daughter, Dmitry had two daughters, Eudoxia and Anastasia. They were married to the boyars Mikhail Morozov and Vasily Zakharyin-Yuriev, respectively. Eudoxia, although renowned for her pious ways, was executed with her husband and children during the Oprichnina purges. Dmitry also had one son, Prince Ivan Dmitrievich Belsky. When the Oprichnina was instututed, the tsar had his two noblest boyars, Ivan Belsky and Fyodor Mstislavsky, appointed to run the lands of the state, or zemshchina. In 1571, when khan Devlet I Giray of Crimea assaulted Moscow and set the city on fire, Prince Belsky was suffocated to death by smoke in his own mansion. With his death, the Belsky princely family became extinct.

On November 8, 1555 the last Prince Belsky married Marfa, a posthumous daughter of Prince Vasily Shuisky-Nemoy by Anastasia of Kazan, herself a granddaughter of Ivan III and Sophia Paleologue. Ivan Belsky and Marfa Shuiskaya had five children but they all died in minority and were interred in the family sepulchre, Tikhon's Hermitage near Kaluga.

The dates mentioned or implied are 1565 (implicit), 1571 & 1555 in that order.

I suspect this is at least closer to the accurate chronology:

(part 1 of ¶ 2) By his wife, Ivan Chelyadnin's daughter,

(part 5 of ¶ 2) Dmitry also had one son, Prince Ivan Dmitrievich Belsky., and

(part 2 of ¶ 2) Dmitry had two daughters, Eudoxia and Anastasia. They, who were married to the boyars Mikhail Morozov and Vasily Zakharyin-Yuriev, respectively.

(start of ¶ 3) On November 8, 1555 the last Prince Belsky married Marfa, a posthumous daughter of Prince Vasily Shuisky-Nemoy by Anastasia of Kazan, herself a granddaughter of Ivan III and Sophia Paleologue.

(part 4 of ¶ 2) When the Oprichnina was instituted[ in 1565], the tsar had his two noblest boyars, Ivan Belsky and Fyodor Mstislavsky, appointed to run the lands of the state, or zemshchina.

(part 3 of ¶ 2) Eudoxia, although renowned for her pious ways, was executed with her husband and children during the Oprichnina purges [in 1565 or later].

(end of ¶ 3) Ivan Belsky and Marfa Shuiskaya had had five children but they all died in minority and were interred in the family sepulchre, Tikhon's Hermitage near Kaluga.

(part 6 of ¶ 2) In 1571, when khan Devlet I Giray of Crimea assaulted Moscow and set the city on fire, Prince Belsky was suffocated to death by smoke in his own mansion. With his death, the Belsky princely family became extinct.

That requires that Ivan Belsky and Prince Ivan Dmitrievich Belsky (start of ¶ 2), the last Prince Belsky (whole of ¶ 3), and Prince Belsky (end of ¶ 2) are all the same person. That's probably obvious to those who know what they're doing, but i'm not one of them, so i leave it to others to make the edit. (The wording, dates or not, seems to imply that none of the five kids survived him: otherwise, extinction would have been at the last kid's death. Thus i don't consider switching the last two sentences.)

In the absence of expertise, it may help some to look in the history, to see if the last 'graph being added in an edit that didn't affect anything else in the section.
--Jerzy•t 07:46, 24 November 2008 (UTC)