Talk:Bella Ramsey

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 January 2024

Ramsey is neurodivergent. 2001:8003:26A3:3700:B58C:3977:D251:8BC0 (talk) 01:15, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

 Added, with other refs. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 01:23, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Why the extended-protection lock? Commzard (talk) 06:34, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Protection was granted upon request after some disruptive editing—standard arbitration enforcement per WP:ARBGSDS. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 06:42, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 February 2024

With the advent of season 3 of Hilda, Ramsey has now voiced their character for 34 episodes, not the amount (26) that the article currently claims Insectoid316 (talk) 09:37, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Shadow311 (talk) 15:03, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

 Done, thanks. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 22:20, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Date and place of birth

In this edit, I asked for a reliable source for Ramsey's date and place of birth. The references did not mention these. In a new edi, Rhain (talk · contribs) provided a source for the place of birth (Leftlion), but also removed my 'citation needed'-additions; according to Rhain, the references suffice. The references are a post on Instagram by fellow actor Amybeth McNulty, who said 'Happy Birthday' on 25 September, and the mention of Ramsey's age, as stated in The Independent. The second one relies heavily on the first one, and I do not think one mention on Instagram suffices as a source. What to do? Of course I don't want an edit war. Laurier (xe or they) (talk) 13:08, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Ramsey has explicitly stated their birthday is in September, and their comments on McNulty's post seem to confirm the date is correct as well. Even without the Instagram post, we have several sources to confirm September 2003, at the very least. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 13:17, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. In which source did Ramsey state explicitly that their birthday is in September? Also, 'September' is not the same as '25 September 2003'. Instagram is not one of the 'reliable sources' on this list. Which 'several sources' confirm September 2003? I mean, just to be clear: I want to find a source to support the date. It might seem I just want to delete the date, but I don't; it's just not correct to mention the date as long as it is not sourced. (See WP:BLP.) Laurier (xe or they) (talk) 14:48, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Ramsey confirmed September here, and The Independent confirmed their age as 13 in Dec 2016; therefore, September 2003 is correct. Sources don't need to be listed at WP:RSP to be included; Instagram posts are usable here per WP:SOCIALMEDIA. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 21:06, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, that makes sense. Laurier (xe or they) (talk) 07:44, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

@Laurier: Re: this edit—references are not necessary in the infobox per WP:INFOBOXCITE (or the lead per WP:LEADCITE). – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 07:56, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I'll change it back. Laurier (xe or they) (talk) 08:35, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

@Laurier: Thanks! They're not necessary in the lead either, per WP:LEADCITE, as in this edit. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 08:40, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Moved them again. Sorry for all the inconvenience and thank you for your patience. Laurier (xe or they) (talk) 09:37, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

No need to apologise—thank you for your help and cooperation! – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 10:47, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Confusing

Wrong use of pronouns 47.13.102.217 (talk) 22:54, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

The first paragraph of § Personal life proves otherwise. They/them pronouns are correct here. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 22:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

See also: the top of this Talk page, this closed discussion (25 January 2023 - 7 January 2024) and this closed discussion (24 May 2023- 13 June 2023). Laurier (xe or they) (talk) 10:45, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

If pronoun they is used for Bella, shouldn't the grammar of the article be following this choice of pronoun? For example, shouldn't the following sentence "Isabella May Ramsey (born September 2003) is an English actor" be rather "Isabella May Ramsey (born September 2003) are an English actor", or "Isabella May Ramsey was born in Nottingham in September 2003" be "Isabella May Ramsey were born in Nottingham in September 2003", etc.?

By the way, who decides to use the pronoun they instead of she in this article if Bella herself (or themselves) stated to be "indifferent to which pronouns are used". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.31.233.169 (talk) 15:59, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

No, some things to learn here. We use the singular verb "is" to refer to any person whose name is singular. The grammar already follows the choice of pronoun: uses of the pronoun "they" include "are" ("They are known for their break-out role"...). For the latter, see they/them defined as "the most truthful thing for me" by Ramsey. ภץאคгöร 19:12, 5 August 2024 (UTC)