Talk:Bell UH-1Y Venom

Latest comment: 1 year ago by Fnlayson in topic Crew count

Number of vehicles in service edit

The article states that 31 are in service, but that was in back in 2010. Can anyone update that statistic? Coolgeek96 (talk) 23:49, 12 February 2014 (UTC)Reply

Just updated to 54 in use from Aviation Week's 2014 source book. -Fnlayson (talk) 00:19, 13 February 2014 (UTC)Reply

Can someone with adequate sources please update again? Nearly 6 years passed since this. Thanks, DPdH (talk) 19:46, 29 January 2020 (UTC)Reply

Did you check the article? The numbers in service is not listed in the article; probably removed by another editor that thinks that info is fluff or something. -Fnlayson (talk) 20:18, 29 January 2020 (UTC)Reply
The infobox says Number built 92, but the ref is 2015. This can certainly be updated, but we need a newer ref! - Ahunt (talk) 15:08, 31 January 2020 (UTC)Reply
World Air Forces 2020 lists 140 UH-1Ys, but I have difficulty getting the PDF address on from my tablet.
@DPdH: {{update inline}} exists for requesting updates to a specific item in a sentence, line, Infobox, etc. - BilCat (talk) 01:06, 1 February 2020 (UTC)Reply
@BilCat: Didn't know, thanks! DPdH (talk) 04:26, 14 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
  • Just note that the total number in service is not the same as the number built (no. built > no. in service). There may be prototypes and test aircraft that are not put into operational service, along with aircraft lost in crashes. -Fnlayson (talk) 01:13, 1 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

Crew count edit

The crew number under specifications indicate 2 (the pilot and co-pilot), but all Marine Corps utility helicopters fly with a Crew Chief. Would it be appropriate to include the Crew Chief as part of the crew? LokenAkhanteros (talk) 15:06, 10 April 2023 (UTC)Reply

That is listing what the crew that are required for flight, not necessarily the full mission crew. -Fnlayson (talk) 15:10, 10 April 2023 (UTC)Reply
This doesn't stay consistent with other aircraft articles, such as the Bell Boeing V-22 Osprey and Sikorsky CH-53K King Stallion which does specify other mission crew members. LokenAkhanteros (talk) 15:16, 10 April 2023 (UTC)Reply
  • I only gave a reason why it is like it is now. I am not finding any sources currently cited in article that list 3 or 4 crew members now. The Navy Fact File lists 12: pilot and co-pilot, crew chief, gunner and eight troops. But other sources in the article only list pilot and co-pilot. -Fnlayson (talk) 15:41, 10 April 2023 (UTC)Reply
    I believe the fact file to be the most reliable source of information about this anyway - The 8 marines listed would better fit in cargo specifications, and gunners are optional, but the Crew Chief is a permanent member of a Venom Crew, no matter the mission. I think it should be included in the crew count. LokenAkhanteros (talk) 15:45, 10 April 2023 (UTC)Reply
  • I feel other source(s) are needed for only flight crew (excluding troop passengers) so this does not get into original research territory. But I won't argue if someone else updates it. -Fnlayson (talk) 15:36, 18 April 2023 (UTC)Reply