Talk:Bell 222/230/Archive 1

Archive 1

Airwolf pic

I have considered adding that particular Airwolf pic, but did not use it for the following reasons:

1. It is a screen capture pic with poor overall clarity.
2. It is hard to see the "Airwolf" add-ons - it looks just like any other 222 save for the paint job.

I would love to find a good pic of "Airwolf" that we could use, but I don't think using a low-quality profile image adds anything to the article at this time. - BillCJ 18:16, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I've got some good ones in my archives, but they're slides, and currently I don't have a slide scanner. If I can find a way, though, I'll see if I can't get it done. Akradecki 23:53, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Hopefuly you can, but if not, that's fine. - BillCJ 02:58, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Production dates

Do the production dates not include the protype/pre-production models, i.e. before first flight? Seem like 1976 or before would be the start of production to have the first flight that year. -Fnlayson 21:46, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Incorrect Information in "Specifications"

The line "Max Take-off Weight" is most likely the Empty Weight of the helicopter and the next line "Maximum Lift" should be the Max Take-off Weight. :)

It is difficult to state the absolutely correct information for the Max Take-off and Empty Weights of each without having a Pilot's Operating Handbook (POH) for each aircraft mentioned on this table. And most websites don't coincide and some don't mention which type of Bell 222 they are describing. There should be a reminder somewhere that to obtain the correct information one should refer to the proper Manual or POH. --Wikiogro (talk) 09:00, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

The MTOW/Empty Weight labeling has been corrected. Thanks. -Fnlayson (talk) 13:46, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Seating

The recently posted link to the FAA Type Certificate data sheet gives the seating specification for the 222/230/430 as 10 max (including pilot). It is my understanding that the Bell 430's main fuselage was stretched relative to the 222/230 so that it would actually be able to carry ten people. This suggests to me that while the 222/230 might have been rated for 10 average people by weight, it could not actually carry that many due to limited space.

Does anybody know of a citation for a 222/230 that actually had/has 10 seats. —MJBurrage^(T•C) 13:43, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Not sure why we need a citiation for an indiviudal aircraft with 10 seats, the certification is the meximum number of seats. Agree most aircraft dont have the maximum but the aircraft is certified for ten seats (which I dont think has anything to do with weight) I wouldnt see the FAA certifing it on the basis if it couldnt be done. MilborneOne (talk) 15:03, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Call it curiosity. The 430's cabin was stretched to allow for 10 seats to fit, so how does an original 222/230 fit 10 seats? Just because the FAA certified the 222 fuselage to carry the weight of 10 people, does not mean that it ever actually had 10 seats. —MJBurrage^(T•C) 16:15, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

OK understood interesting if anybody has an insight into this. MilborneOne (talk) 16:17, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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Mentions 230 and 430 with no pics. No development. Very little on missions this aircraft is used for and any changes in configurations. (Born2flie 01:07, 16 November 2006 (UTC))

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