Talk:Bayreuth Festspielhaus

Not Semper

The Bayreuth Festspielhaus was not designed by Gottfried Semper. It was designed by Otto Brueckwald, an architect from Leipzig. Richard Wagners Ideas based on the discussion with Semper during his swiss exile. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.150.70.60 (talk) 07:30, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Here's a good picture [1]. nobs 21:22, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Festival

Please keep information pertinent to the Bayreuth Festival (such as performance schedules, ticket information, history, etc etc) on the Festival's article page. This article should be devoted to the structural, architectural innovations of the Festspielhaus, not general info on the festival itself. Dottore So 10:22, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Design

It appears that the original design was much more ambitious, as the current appearence is modest, and relatively free of the typical ornamentation of the period. I placed the designs in the gallery but they are not consistent with the actual building when you compare the pictures.Ekem 03:57, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Insides?

Though the inside is described in some detail, there are no pictures of the inside. These would be greatly helpful.RSido (talk) 03:58, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Naming variations

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I should like to second this point. [...] I do know that it is standard for English-language references on Wagner to refer to the Bayreuth Festspielhaus by that name rather than a cod English translation. Please consult with the relevant projects before making any similar moves.--Peter cohen (talk) 12:14, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

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Peter: Same applies here for "Festival Theatre"; it's not an invention, but English use and one that the Theatre itself uses: bayreuther-festspiele.de/documents/_the_bayreuth_festival_theatre_341.html. —Sladen (talk) 20:03, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I've checked various sources and these confirm that Bayreuth Festspielhaus but Bayreuth Festival are the norm. Here is the first item I've found that mentions both building and festival on searching the gramophone site for mentions of Bayreuth. Of the articles that mention just one, only one has deviated from the rule and that by calling the festival Festspiele. Grove conforms to the practice I describe - if your library provides free online access, check the article on Bayreuth. The first three books I've found on my shelves that mention the building are the ENO/ROH guides on Parsifal and Siegfried and Rudolph Sabor's companion to the Ring. The first two follow the rule I describe. Sabor largely does but occasionally has Festspiele. The first mention of the building in English is on p.61 "...the town council offered him a suitable plot for erecting his Festspielhaus (Festival Theatre)..." Thereafter Festspielhaus is used. So the naming convention as used by members of WP:Wagner corresponds to standard English-language practice per WP:COMMONNAME--Peter cohen (talk) 22:13, 25 December 2009 (UTC) copy edited--Peter cohen (talk) 23:41, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I think I may have caused a confusion. In German, Festspiele refers just to the festival and Festspielhaus to the building. And I was saying that Festspiele is rare in English, but Festspielhaus is common.--Peter cohen (talk) 23:02, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

(Is there a word missing in the first sentence of the first reply? "...that Bayreuth Festspielhaus but Bayreuth Festival are the norm") —Sladen (talk) 23:35, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're referring to here. Was it the last sentence which I've now changed?

Okay. No there waswan't a word missing but maybe it was too telegraphic. I was getting at the way that Festspiele is normally translated but Festspielhaus is normally left unchanged. (And you've now demonstrated that Bayreuther is normally traslated in both cases. --Peter cohen (talk) 23:55, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

And just to complicate things further, have you noticed what the German article is called? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/artsandculture/1308162/Europes-top-classical-music-festivals.html uses that name but without hyphens i.e. "Richard Wagner Festspielhaus".--Peter cohen (talk) 23:41, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, more complex than either of us imagined! I was going through WP:GHITS (advanced search, language=English results only) looking at all of the options (thank you for your book-based research). Certainly, several of the interwiki articles (German included) have gone with "Richard Wagner ..." but if he was the person that instigated it in the first place—I'm unclear whether it acquired that name later (eg. after death), or naming it after its promoter during construction. —Sladen (talk) 00:02, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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==Rating by Richard Wagner Project== Start Class Good introduction, but there is probably a lot more material available about the Festspielhaus. It's a unique theatre and a fascinating subject. The article at present fits the definition of "Moderately useful but still obviously far from definitive" hence start class. -- Kleinzach 10:13, 1 October 2007 (UTC) Start Class Quite a bit more could be added from obvious sources (e.g. Grove and books on theatre architecture and opera houses), and that would also enable the extra images to appear in the article. Needs sub-headings and inline references. --GuillaumeTell 15:37, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Last edited at 15:46, 1 October 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 09:15, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Seating arrangement

The statement "...the Festspielhaus's seats are arranged in a single steeply-shaped wedge, with no galleries or boxes" is incorrect. As well as the single slope of the "Parkett" (stalls) seats, there are three higher levels "Loge" (boxes), "Balkon" (balcony) and "Gallery". Threefoursixninefour (talk) 18:14, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

This interior image from the Festspielhaus clearly shows there are boxes...

http://music.enjoylive.travel/images/eventi/Bayreuth/parsifal/Bayreuther_Festival.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:301:777C:C750:2984:AAB:C6CC:5E0A (talk) 15:01, 13 September 2018 (UTC)