Talk:Battlefield (song)

Charts

Is the inclusion of Austrlian Urban Singles Chart and UK R&B Chart a breach of wikidia's rules banning component charts? (Lil-unique1 (talk) 15:55, 2 August 2009 (UTC))

Component charts can be used, but only when a song fails to enter the main chart. — Σxplicit 18:47, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure the UK R&B Chart is a component chart - I'm pretty sure the UK Download Chart and UK Physical Singles Chart are the only component charts of the UK Singles Chart, so there's no reason why it can't be used. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 20:23, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

UK R&B chart is not a component chart, however previous discussions at the WP:CHARTS project led to the conclusion that UK R&B charts, or infact even the BB R&B cahrt, can be included for R&B oriented singles only. Similar for dance charts. Asutralian Urban snigles is a separate chart, but fails notability. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:00, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I second the above. The chart is not component, and can be used in this article, since this article is about a pop-R&b song. I don't have much experience with the Australian urban chart, but I'm assuming it's the same as the R&B chart. It should be fine as long as it's sourced. Orane (talk) 06:27, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Surely if a song is included in an R&B chart, it's an R&B-oriented single...??? AnemoneProjectors (talk) 11:50, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Generally, but not exclusively. The charts get their titles from the genre of the radio stations they monitor, not from someone making an artistic determination about each song.—Kww(talk) 12:13, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I see. And I also see by looking at the UK R&B Chart for this week, there are quite a few songs that wouldn't generally be considered R&B! Thanks for clarifying that. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 13:06, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

so i am to take it that the consensus is that UK R&B chart is ok but Australian R&B chart is going to be counted as a component chart? (Lil-unique1 (talk) 00:58, 7 August 2009 (UTC))

tempo?

The link that doesn't work referenced some very strange information, namely that this song's tempo is 144. It is actually half of that, and it's plain it's at a ballad's tempo. Anyone can go and delete my 72 as unreferenced if they like, but the 144 was both wrong and unreferenced. ChildrenDeserveBetter (talk) 05:03, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Awesome God Resemblance

I'm not a huge religious advocate nor "I never meant to start a war," but in terms of chord progression and music resemblance, doesn't "Battlefield" sound like it is a total rip off of Rich Mullins's Awesome God? True, the progressions are very similar, but listen to the chorus section: I never meant to start a war. You know I never wanna hurt you. Don't even know what we're fighting for. Why does love always feel like a battlefield...

This site talks about it a little. It plays the chorus of Battlefield and then about 40 seconds in, it plays Awesome God.

I feel a little shocked that this isn't really mentioned anywhere. I know that "Awesome God" isn't really a popular song on a Top 40 hits station, but it sounds like a complete copy of a popular church song. Anyone else notice this, or is this purely coincidence on the chord progressions? Troyoda1990 (talk) 20:13, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I have the exact same question. It's to much the same! I feel the question should be asked and the fact made aware. Hardus H

This is indeed based off of "Awesome God". I have added an attribution to it under the background section. 128.101.188.150 (talk) 19:16, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

And I've removed it because its a discussion thread. It is not given by any sort of credible website/author. -- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 (talk2me) 19:45, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Battlefield (song)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Calvin999 (talk · contribs) 14:15, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

I will review the article :) Aaron • ^{You Da One} 14:15, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Oz ^talk 20:38, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

• Please put a  Done or  Not done explaining your concern next to addressed points.

Lead

• Lyrically, the song "is about a tumultuous relationship where neither side wants to compromise." → When you put a quote in the lead, you have to put the source there.
  •  Not done I'm confused. Do you mean: Lyrically, the song "is about a tumultuous relationship where neither side wants to compromise", as stated by Jocelyn Vena of MTV News or do I just add a reference? Oz ^talk 00:54, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
    • Just the footnote, yes. Aaron • ^{You Da One}  Done
• I did a slight copyedit of the lead. There were no major issues.
  • Thanks. But the last sentence: "The song has been covered by English alternative rock band Fightstar which was performed on the television show One Life to Live" makes it seem like they performed the song on the show which they didn't. Oz ^talk 00:54, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
    • That's how it read because of the order you had written it in. So the band didn't perform it on TV? Aaron • ^{You Da One}
      • No, the band and the tv show both covered the song. Oz ^talk 01:26, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
        • • They both covered it? How does a TV show cover a song? Aaron • ^{You Da One}
            • Its like Glee. Oz ^talk 01:35, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
              • So Fightstar didn't perform the cover on One Life to Live? I'm confused lol. Aaron • ^{You Da One}
                • Fightstar performed Battlefield on BBC Radio 1's Live Lounge and the cast of One Life to Live performed Battlefield on their show (One Life to Live). Oz ^talk 22:26, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Background and release

• "She later received a phone call saying she was going to record "Battlefield"." → I think this could be worded better. How about "She later received a phone call which confirmed that she was to record "Battlefield"."  Done
• "was first released" → removed "first"  Done
• "A Digital EP with" → why is "Digital" capitalised.  Done
• "Germany on July 10" → put a comma after 10.  Done
• "A Compact Disc single" → change to [[Compact Disc single|CD single]].  Done

Composition

• "Lyrically, the song "is about a tumultuous relationship..." → "The song's lyrics revolve around "a tumultuous relationship..."  Done
• "Nick Levine of Digital Spy" → Link Digital Spy
  • Already linked in Background and release. Oz ^talk 22:26, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
• Can you provide a better caption for the audio file?  Done

Critical reception

• ", writing that," → ", writing"  Done
• ""incredible" and wrote, " → ""incredible," writing "  Done
• You say "Battlefield" 10 times in this section. Replace some of them with "the song" or "it".  Done
• This is like WP:QUOTEFARM, can you paraphrase some of the quotes.  Done
• You say "writing" or "wrote" a lot, how about "described", "stated", "noted", "thought", "concluded" ?  Done

Chart performance

• Again, you write "Battlefield" 11 times, it's very repetitive.  Done
• Numbers one to nine should be written as such. Only double digits should be written numerically. Be consistent, as you flick between the two.  Done
• "In the United Kingdom, "Battlefield" debuted on the UK Singles Chart" → Use either United Kingdom or UK Singles Chart, you don't need to say both.  Done
• "In Ireland, "Battlefield" debuted and peaked at number nine on the Irish Singles Chart" → Same here. Don't need to say both.
• "number 81.." → There are two full stops.  Done
• "the Netherlands" → The Netherlands  Done
• "In Switzerland, "Battlefield" debuted and peaked on the Swiss Singles Chart" → Same as UK and Ireland points above.  Done
• "In Sweden, "Battlefield" debuted on the Swedish Singles Chart" → Same as UK, Ireland and Switzerland.  Done
• I made some corrections to the sales certifications.
  • Thanks. Oz ^talk 23:01, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Music video

• Would be really good if you could uploaded a screenshot.
• "1971 De Tomaso Pantera sports car" → Unless you find a source for this, you will have to simply say "car"  Done
• "Sparks lying out in a field" → "Sparks laying down in a field"  Done
• Could you expand the synopsis a bit more? Only because this is quite a small section.  Done

Live performances and cover versions

• "and was accompanied" → "and accompanied" Accompanied is already in the past tense, no need for was.  Done
• The first paragraph could be refined more, at the moment is just like a list.  Done

Track listing and formats

• No issues.

Credits and personnel

• I did a slight copyedit. Put the list into two columns.
• No other issues.

Charts and certifications

• "Battlefield" charted on the US Adult Contemporary chart [1]  Done
• Use the certification style table which can be seen here [2]  Done

Release history

• For Germany, put the footnotes next to the country, not the format.  Done

References

• MTV references: work parameters are MTV/MTV News etc., and the publisher is Viacom.  Done
• Apple references: Only put Apple, not Apple Inc.  Done
• FN6: Link [[iTunes Store]] and [[Apple Inc.|Apple]] as this is the first Apple ref.  Done
• FN19: Link [[Billboard (magazine)|Billboard]] and [[Prometheus Global Media]] as this is the first Billboard ref.  Done
• 7digital.com is not a reliable source, so you need to remove all of them.  Done
• FN23: Remove Inc., link CBS  Done
• FN34: Unlink Billboard and PGM, as this is the second reference instance.  Done
• FN37: Remove Inc.  Done
• Chartstats.com is a big no no.  Done
• Jordinsparks.com is also not reliable, it's self published.

Summary

On hold for 7 days. Let me know when you have addressed everything. If you have any questions, just ask me. Aaron • ^{You Da One} 17:42, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Are you still amending issues without a  Done ? Aaron • ^{You Da One} 13:36, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

No I just havent finished yet. Sorry if I'm taking long. Oz ^talk 19:43, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Completely done? Can you not expand the music video synopsis? Aaron • ^{You Da One} 01:34, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Internet is slow at the moment its pissing me off. I can't remember what the video looks like. Oz ^talk 03:12, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

OKay. I'm passing the article. Everything else has been addressed. It's not the end of the world that there isn't a screenshot, at least there is an audio sample. Aaron • ^{You Da One} 12:50, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

I was talking about the synopsis but thanks. Oz ^talk 13:35, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

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