Talk:Battle of Novi Pazar

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This title doesn't exist in English. Per Google Books, per Google Scholar. This is becoming extremely tiresome. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 14:30, 17 June 2014 (UTC) Peacemaker67 (send... over) 14:30, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

I gave descriptive title to this article. If you have better proposal feel free to present it here.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 14:45, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

It would not matter what I suggested, I have learnt that by hard experience. By way of further explanation, this is yet another example of the creation of a title for an event that does not exist in English, as I have noted above. This is a pair with Đurđevdan uprising, which also doesn't exist in English, yet has been defended to the death on the talk page there. This is a clear pattern of behaviour, and it is disruptive. My comment about this being tiresome is that it is the same editor creating articles with names that just don't exist in English, or that are so generic as to be completely useless ("Moslem Militia", "March negotiations"). I didn't even know it existed until the editor linked it to another talk page. One look, and a couple of checks, and it is clearly in the same category as "Đurđevdan Uprising", the capitalisation of which was "die in a ditch" stuff, just like "June Uprising in Eastern Herzegovina". Please take a look at WP:AT and do some Google Books and Google Scholar checks before using titles like this. I'm sick to death of the creation of dubious titles, followed by aggressive defence of the indefensible, then a long RfC or RM. Please get a clue. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 14:57, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

I sincerely apologize if I made mistake when I gave descriptive title to this article.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 15:12, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

I would have thought that given the fighting was not just for Novi Pazar, but also Raska, a descriptive title using "Sandzak" and an indication of the time period would be more appropriate. Something like "November 1941 fighting in Sandzak"? Peacemaker67 (send... over) 06:18, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

No. The subject of this article are not all fighting in Sandžak in November 1941. The subject of this article is the Battle for Novi Pazar which also took place in December. Raška episode is separate subject which probably deserves separate article. It is mentioned here because it happened during this Battle. I am also afraid that one editor might tag this article for deletion because "November 1941 fighting in Sandzak" has zero Google Books hits.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 07:00, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

So does the current title. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 07:03, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

The user in question is you. You proposed here a title with zero Google Books hits, while in other article you used zero Google Books hits as argument for deletion. This contradictory position proves your disruptive renaming/deleting activities at articles I recently created. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 07:12, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

It doesn't prove anything of the sort, and the fact that you think it does shows how truly uncomprehending you are of WP policy (and what might be evidence of disruption). Peacemaker67 (send... over) 07:27, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes it does. I caught you red-handed again. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 08:00, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

You truly are wasting my time. I shall sign off now. Good luck with your "battle". Peacemaker67 (send... over) 08:09, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Actually, you are wasting the time of other editors with your disruptive editing. You proposed here a title with zero Google Books hits, while in other article I recently created (Lim-Sandžak Chetnik Detachment) you used zero Google Books hits as argument for deletion. Although you used exactly the same name for this military unit (diff) in article about Pavle Đurišić. That is additional evidence of your disruptive renaming/deleting activities at articles I recently created. Without support of PRODUCER your disruptions have much less chance to pass.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 08:38, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

I've already updated some information regarding this article. Have fun.--User:Balkanite (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:31, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Shaban Polluzha

You can take off Shaban Polluzhas name. His article actually needs to be redone from scratch because it sounds like a mere google translation into English. Polluzha was a representative of Kosovo in the Yugoslavian politics between wars. He was involved with partizans of Fadil Hoxha. He was never a Vullnetari or Balli's member.
The clash with partizans started in 1944 when he disobeyed a direct order to move together with his units out of Drenica at the beginning of 1944-1945 conflict. I don't see why he is mentioned in this article.
Mondiad (talk) 15:30, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello Mondiad. Nice to talk to you after a while. I am uncertain if you are right here. Here is a link to Elsie's work in which he directly support Poluza's connection to Balli. There are also plenty of sources that connects him with Vulnetari. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 19:29, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi.

In 1941 he results to have been interned by the Italians, in 1943 he joined Balli and soon after defected to the partizans. This is from Elsie too. The Italians gave up the war in 1943. If this battle took place in 1941, he could have hardly been around. According to Elsie, "he set a band to fight against the chetniks in 1943". I can see that Cukovic mentions "On October, ...., he turned Ibarski Kolasin to dust", but the math does not convince here. I don't have any affection with him, just that his activity is often wrongly interpreted from both sides. Mondiad (talk) 00:14, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Activities described in this article happened in German part of occupied Serbia, not Italian.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 06:54, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

But still, he was interned in 1941. And he formed a band and joined Balli shortly in 1943, not before. At least this is clearly stated by Elsie.Mondiad (talk) 21:45, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

This article does not mention Balli.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 22:22, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

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