Talk:Battle of Chasiv Yar
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Moving Chasiv Yar#Russian invasion of Ukraine to this article edit
Should we move all of Chasiv Yar#Russian invasion of Ukraine to this article as a background section? That article (Chasiv Yar's) is suffering from a recentism slant. Or should we keep the two separate and only focus on events after the start of the battle? Scu ba (talk) 15:12, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
Are the battles in Ivanivske (and maybe Bohdanivka?) within scope for this article? edit
Ivanivske (and Bohdanivka) control the eastern approaches to Chasiv Yar and are basically on the outskirts of the city, just on the other side of the canal. As far as I've checked, there are no separate articles for either of these 2 battles, so details regarding them are mostly mentioned on their respective city pages, or the larger Eastern Ukraine campaign page. Should details regarding the fighting and claimed capture of Ivanivske by Russia be added to this article?
For example, I could potentially add a "fighting east of the canal" subsection to the battle section of this article, to include the clashes on Chasiv Yar's outskirt settlements of Ivanivske and to a lesser extent, Bohdanivka, to give a more well-rounded view of the situation surrounding Chasiv Yar prior to any actual (future) fighting in the city. But I'm not going to try this unless other editors agree that adding some details of the Ivanivske (and Bohdanivka) battles to this article is on-topic and within scope. So, worth it or no? RopeTricks (talk) 02:52, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- If you find it within the scope of the battle, then yes. The best measurements for determining the scope of a battle in the war are most likely the ISW assessments, or other sources which give support to the notions or statements. Reaper1945 (talk) 00:32, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Debatable, either they're in this scope, or they're in the scope of the Battle of Bakhmut article. But I'm assuming Russia isn't going to stop any time soon in the area so I think it's fine to include them in this scope. Scu ba (talk) 01:31, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Start date edit
I find it questionable to define the start date as when Russian troops entered city boundaries (after all, this isn't called "Battle in Chasiv Yar"). The Russians were already fighting for Chasiv Yar for months. The battle of Bakhmut and Avdiivka articles had a broader start date. Won't revert because I believe soon we'll have better info. Once again I would recommend commenting out older information instead of deleting it outright. Alexis Coutinho (talk) 22:00, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
The fighting WAS at the city limits edit
There's a weird disconnected neighborhood that, while not physically connected to the rest of it, is legally part of the city and within the city limits(check google maps). The eastern most part of this eastern detached piece is where fighting has broken out over the first row of houses at the edge of the suburbs on April 4th. So the article should not be deleted. 2604:3D09:1F80:CA00:F532:E428:6F0D:FC89 (talk) 00:39, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
Battle of Krasnohorivka edit
Some of you might be interested in building the Battle of Krasnohorivka article. See Talk:Battle of Krasnohorivka#Battle has begun. I've also added an entry to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Ukraine/Requests page. Cheers. Alexis Coutinho (talk) [ping me] 20:47, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- @RopeTricks: 😊. Alexis Coutinho (talk) [ping me] 23:52, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- working on it RopeTricks (talk) 01:05, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 May 2024 edit
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Storm-Z has not been active since June 24th 2023, it has been replaced with storm-V so it shouldn't be listed in the "units involved" list. If you could please change it. AshtonWest032 (talk) 13:50, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Charliehdb (talk) 09:50, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
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Storm Z haven't existed since June 24, 2023 according to many sources including the Wikipedia page about storm z https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm-Z . but its still included as a "unit involved" please fix this. AshtonWest032 (talk) 13:10, 8 May 2024 (UTC)