Talk:Battle of Cape Palos (1938)

Skirmish at WP

I deleted this:

"During the Civil War, about half of the Spanish Navy had remained loyal to the Republican government and the other half joined the rebellion of Franco's Nationalists. Government forces had more destroyers (All except one, them Mussolini sold 4 old destroyers to the Nationalist), but Franco had seized both newest heavy cruisers Canarias and Baleares, armed with eight 203 mm (8 in) guns each. The two navies had skirmished throughout the war without major losses."

and this

"The Battle of the Ebro ended disastrously for the Republicans later that year."

because, while interesting, I don't think it's directly relevant to the subject. Maybe of value here, tho. TREKphiler ^{hit me ♠} 17:31 & 17:55, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Erm, your first paragraph (minus maybe some of the more technical detail, i.e. guns) describes the situation and characteristics of the opposing navies at the time of the battle; the second explains why a Republican victory at Cape Palos did not much help their situation or prolong the war. This is not trivia. Albrecht (talk) 01:52, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

As I read it, that's an analysis of the broad strategic situation, not of the tactical one of the battle. If you remove the ref to destroyers, Mussolini, & 8", I'd agree; Ebro still should get left out as irrelevant here. I'd also delete the supply situation, except it seems to bear on the battle. The detail, IMO, better fits at Spanish Civil War, where the broader context both can & should be addressed. TREKphiler ^{hit me ♠} 16:53, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Obvious error

Either "The forepart of the ship as far aft as the funnel disintegrated, killing all the personnel there" (I have hidden this particular text) or the photo of "The sinking of Baleares photographed from attacking Republican aircraft, 6 March 1938" is not what it purports to be, since it shows a largely (or completely) intact ship. Furthermore, the claim that "The stern remained afloat and it was from this part of the ship that survivors were rescued ... The Nationalist cruisers returned at dawn and survivors rescued by Boreas were transferred to them by boats. An air attack by Republican bombers interrupted the proceedings..." cannot match the picture which is apparently taken by the very same attacking bombers the same day - although only the stern - if that - should be visible. And why would bombers attack a ship that had already sunk? Does anyone have access to the references? I can read Fullana, Jeroni F.; Eduardo Conolloy, Daniel Cota (2000). El Crucero "Baleares", but chapter 11 won't load for me (although chapter 10 makes it pretty clear the damage was very serious) and Enrique García Domingo, Recompensas republicanas por el hundimiento del Baleares doesn't load at all. This web page has some intriguing pictures which do match the "total destruction" idea. Shem (talk) 22:13, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

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