Talk:Battle of Ankara
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Date of the Battle
editThere's not source for the date 20 july. Many sources give 28 july.--Jolle (talk) 23:24, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
Ottoman Turkish name
editI added recently the Ottoman Turkish name for the battle, that being آنقره محاربهسی, Anḳara Muḥârebesi. It was reverted by @Beshogur, claiming that Ottoman Turkish did not call the city [[wikt:آنقره|آنقره, Anḳara]], but Engüriye.
Perhaps older Ottoman texts used Engüriye, but I am unsure in this regard. I have not encountered it in any Ottoman manuscripts regarding the battle.
For an example of آنقره محاربهسی, Anḳara Muḥârebesi, in Ottoman Turkish, see it written above the map on page 68 of رسملى و خريطهلى عثمانلى تاريخى, Resmli ve ḫarîṭalı 'Os̱mânlı târîḫi, (1890) by Ahmet Rasim, as well as on the preceding page, where it is written as a chapter heading.
It is certainly a spelling that was used in Ottoman Turkish, even if possibly not at the time of the battle. If there is a source using Engüriye in reference to the battle, that would be useful, but I cannot find such a thing. Samiollah1357 (talk) 09:05, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
- What's the date of this work? Beshogur (talk) 15:03, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
- 1890, as was stated after its name. It should be noted that آنقره محاربهسی, Anḳara Muḥârebesi, has 32 results on Google Books, whereas انکوریه محاربهسی, Engüriye Muḥârebesi, has 0 results. A number of the results for the former are duplicates, but they are nonetheless still more than for the latter. Given that no historical sources seem to use انکوریه محاربهسی, Engüriye Muḥârebesi, and that multiple use آنقره محاربهسی, Anḳara Muḥârebesi, I would consider it a more appropriate option for inclusion in the article, even if it is possibly associated with later Ottoman. Samiollah1357 (talk) 15:53, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
- Lol, I didn't claim "Engüriye Muḥârebesi" exists. I told it was an Ottoman name. I agree for inclusion if it's 1890. Beshogur (talk) 16:23, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
- I was not claiming that it existed either, simply that the battle was not referred to with the name Engüriye as far as I know. Some other sources from the period that refer to it as آنقره محاربهسی, Anḳara Muḥârebesi, include تاریخ دولت عثمانیه, Târîḫ-i Devlet-i 'Os̱mâniye, (1891) by Abdurrahmân Şeref Efendi, and ممالك عثمانیهنك تاریخ و جغرافیا لغاتی, Memâlik-i 'Os̱mâniyeniñ târîḫ ve coğrâfyâ lüğâtı, (1894) by Alî Cevât.
- It seems we agree on the appropriate nature of its inclusion, so I will add it back to the article. Samiollah1357 (talk) 17:20, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
- Lol, I didn't claim "Engüriye Muḥârebesi" exists. I told it was an Ottoman name. I agree for inclusion if it's 1890. Beshogur (talk) 16:23, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
- 1890, as was stated after its name. It should be noted that آنقره محاربهسی, Anḳara Muḥârebesi, has 32 results on Google Books, whereas انکوریه محاربهسی, Engüriye Muḥârebesi, has 0 results. A number of the results for the former are duplicates, but they are nonetheless still more than for the latter. Given that no historical sources seem to use انکوریه محاربهسی, Engüriye Muḥârebesi, and that multiple use آنقره محاربهسی, Anḳara Muḥârebesi, I would consider it a more appropriate option for inclusion in the article, even if it is possibly associated with later Ottoman. Samiollah1357 (talk) 15:53, 26 October 2023 (UTC)