Talk:Barn

Disambig

I think this is the wrong style of disambig.

The farm building is the far more common usage and with only two entries the link to unofficial nuclear physics unit of area should appear as disambig link at the top of the building page. -- Solipsist 19:13, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Galician language Link

The link to Galician language (gl) should be to: Alpendre, instead of Palleiro. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.111.155.172 (talk) 11:26, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Indeed — Pekinensis 21:03, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I put in a redirect to barn (building) and posted a notice about the other uses at the top of the page. The article could be moved here, though. -- Kjkolb 02:20, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Terms

I included 'hayloft' because I've never heard of 'mow.'

trivia

per wp:triv guidelines I suggest moving the information contained in the trivia section into the main body of the article. I'll be bold and do it myself. --Tom 03:40, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Corn house

I have redirected the term "Corn house" to here, it was originally a tiny stub of an article claiming that a corn house was a farm building where corn was stored. I'm not sure if this is really different than a barn or not. If someone thinks Corn house should have its own article, and wants to write one with sources, feel free to ressurect the Corn house article. --Xyzzyplugh 16:18, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

A corn house is not the same thing as a barn. It is another name for a "corn crib," a completely separate type of structure. An article exists for corn crib it should point to but I don't know how to change a redirect. Wizardkiss (talk) 11:58, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

linhay?

Came across this stub while disambiguating: Circular linhay. Seems to be the same as linhay but Im not sure. Anyone interested in taking a look at it? --Deepak D'Souza (talk) 06:30, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Hmm. No clue. Drop a line to User:Richard New Forest. He might know. Montanabw^(talk) 02:32, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Too much!

There are way too many images in this article. I respect the attempt to globalize, but this is turning into a scrapbook. You might want to consider a chart to list the different types instead of a gallery, such as used in articles like List of United States federal courthouses in Virginia or something. Allows images, but they don't take over. Montanabw^(talk) 21:51, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Size?

Is saying that a building built like a barn, but smaller than a acre, a shed? Is a building larger than an acre a barn? In other words, how big is a barn and a shed? What line if any defines the two? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.19.146.31 (talk) 15:52, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

There's no definite minimum size for a barn, but in any case an acre is much too large to be the cutoff point between barns and sheds. In the eastern U.S, a barn of 6000 square feet, having a footprint of about 1/7 of an acre, would be on the large side; in the Midwest, a large barn might be 15000 feet, or a bit over 1/3 of an acre. 206.208.105.129 (talk) 15:53, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Barns don't cover an acre (usually), it is more the construction style than size, a shed can refer to any number of small structures, some three-sided, others enclosed. Montanabw^(talk) 03:31, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Literature?

Is a general article as barns improved by a concise literature list? I think it does, Montanabw disagrees, so he removed my stub and asked me to rewrite the article by sneaking in survey books in footnotes. As a European Continental wikipedia user I find that an inferior solution. But as I am only a specialist in medieval up to 19th century barns in Europe, I am hesitant. For years I published a conscise article on the medieval origin and development of the modern barn in an obscure though highly scientific German journal. Generally speaking, the early modern aisled barned developed out of high medieval monastic and tithebarns, which were in turn more or less invented in the 12th century. It is only indirect relevant to the US material, however, as the New World colonial barn descends from the another branch if aisled buildings, the Low German house. If someone likes to expand the topic, I'll send a PDF. Here's my stub.

Literature

• Graham Hughes, Barns of Rural Britain, London 1985.
• Malcolm Kirk, The Barn. Silent Spaces, London 1994. (BTW: so superbe!)
• Jeremy Lake, Historic Farm Buildings. An Introduction and Guide, London 1989.
• Eric Sloane, An Age of Barns. An Illustrated Review of Classic Barn Styles and Construction, New York 1967, 4th ed. 2005.
• Jean-René Trochet, Maisons paysannes en France et leur environnement, XVe-XXe siècles, Paris 2007.

Otto S. Knottnerus (talk) 12:48, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I was also surprised at the literature section being removed on grounds of being "trivia". My sense that it should be reinserted. Editors may always add further sources or substitute better ones if they can justify that. But having nothing just risks attracting a hatnote asking for more references. BTW you may like to work on the byre-dwelling article which is focussed on the European structure from which the Low German house et al. descended. Bermicourt (talk) 16:52, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

What is happening now is that these works are being used as sources, which is appropriate, and far more important. Once we start creating Lists of books about barns, it can grow into the hundreds. The number of coffee table books about old barns at my local bookstore or library probably numbers in the thousands, and that doesn't count the "how to build a barn" books or god-knows what else (this search produced 21,000 hits). Sometimes a "further reading" section at the end of an article (akin to External links section) can be useful, but only if targeted fairly well. The above was a random list. Montanabw^(talk) 19:18, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

How do you know it was a random list? --Bermicourt (talk) 10:52, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps "random" was not the right word to describe editor intent, I was using the WP:NOT phrasing. The problem is that it was a list, and like WP:ELNO for external links absent some sort of annotation or narrative discussion of why these five are somehow superior or more scholarly or whatever compared to the other 21,000+ books out there, it is a WP:TRIVIA list. But, for now, if these five works are used as sources in the article and then listed in a bibliography at the end, I am fine with that. Montanabw^(talk) 04:25, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Images

Per NOTSCRAPBOOK, do we really need the gallery and can we trim the images a bit? There really are too many here. I could see the gallery being reconfigured to illustrate each of the primary types, or perhaps variants in international design, but as it sits, we just have a bunch of random images here. Thoughts? Montanabw^(talk) 19:12, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Monitor Barn

This is an unusual type of barn. There are two of them in Richmond, Vermont. May need its own entry. See here:

http://www.monitorbarn.org

Bill Jefferys (talk) 01:53, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

The monitor-style roof isn't that unusual, but maybe if the barn pictured is a NRHP property, it could get its own article. Montanabw^(talk) 10:13, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

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