Talk:Barberini family

Identifying Cardinal Barberini

I have just started Giovanni Doni which I have based on a 1922 edition of Grove's Dictionary of Music and Musicians where it says On returning to Florence in 1622, he entered the service of Cardinal Barberini, and went with him to Rome where he became secretary to the College of Carinals, afterwards accompanying the cardinal to Paris, Madrid, and back to Rome.

Now the only Cardinal Barberinis that I can identify [1] are:

• Antonio (Marcello) Cardinal Barberini (Sr.), O.F.M. Cap - only elevated to cardinal in 1624
• Francesco Cardinal Barberini, Jr. - only elevated to cardinal in 1690
• Benedetto Cardinal Colonna Barberini di Sciarra - born 1788
• Antonio Cardinal Barberini (Jr.) - only elevated to cardinal in 1627
• Maffeo Barberini - became Pope in 1623.

Now, none of these fit. I suspect that there is an error in Grove but can anyone help? Cutler June 30, 2005 14:31 (UTC)

It's been a while since you posted ^ this ^ note ^ but I thought I'd try and answer you query. There were a number of Barberini cardinals (most have Wiki pages now), many of them made cardinal by their relative (in various forms) Maffeo Barberini as Pope Urban VIII.

That Cardinal Benedetto was cardinal more than 100 years later so he's off the list.

The others became cardinal under Urban VIII but Maffeo himself would have been a cardinal in 1622 before becoming Pope the following year. It is likely he is the cardinal in question.

It may be that Doni went to Rome with Maffeo (who then became Pope) but ended up working for Francesco (who became Dean of the College of Cardinals). I'm not sure the records would make the distinction between one Cardinal Barberini and another.

Hope this helps. Stalwart111 (talk) 03:00, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

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Barberini family → Barberini – No need for disambiguation, there is only one. Gryffindor (talk) 23:23, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose As this article is about the family and not the surname, It is located at Barberini family. There are a lot of other articles which follow this rule. 122.61.73.44 (talk) 05:21, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

There is no other article with this name, therefore no need to disambiguate. Overwhelming search results also only point to this family. See also Italian Wiki mirror for comparison. Gryffindor (talk) 23:10, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose for WP:RECOGNIZABILITY and WP:NATURALNESS. I think that a shortened title would look artificial. No such user (talk) 11:11, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose, per WP:PRECISION; current title states clearly what the article is about; the proposed title is ambiguous. WP:PRECISION allows for more precise titles (even if primary) to seek a more natural and recognizable one. The current title is also consistent with other, similar titles (Anson family, House of Amboise etc.). Moonraker12 (talk) 14:07, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

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