Talk:Bank of Carmel

Edit Request - add additional sources

• Under the History section, please add a secondary source citation that provides info on the history of the Bank of Carmel:
  • Place the citation after this setence: "The directors of the bank were: T. A. Work, Charles O. Goold, Barnet J. Segal, Silas V. Mack, and J. A. Sparolini. The Bank of Carmel began with capital stock of $25,000 and with capitalization of $100,000."
  • Place the 2nd citation after the sentence "The Artist Paul Whitman was commissioned to create two bas reliefs for the front of the bank building."
  • Replace the following text and add a citation: "Thomas Albert Work (1870-1963), of Pacific Grove, organized the bank and was elected its first president."

References

Greg Henderson (talk) 16:28, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

www.paulwhitman.org is a primary source. Theroadislong (talk) 00:12, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for you quick response. Yes, www.paulwhitman.org is a primary source. However, it points to the fact that he was the artist that did the reliefs (artwork) for the bank, which makes it important in context of the subject. Per WP:PRIMARY it serves as an original source of information about the topic and can be used in Wikipedia articles to make statements of facts. The other two sources are secondary. Greg Henderson (talk) 00:24, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Notability is not inherited from people associated with the subject, so no, Paul Whitman's website does not contribute to notability. Re: Sharron Hale, again it's basically a tourist trade book published by a questionable press. I'll look deeper later to examine if it is SiGCOV. The Van de Grift Sanchez citation content is about people, not the bank nor building. Again, notability is not inherited. If a scholarly source on architectural history exists that would help. Netherzone (talk) 02:50, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Here is an analysis of the Hale source: Page 13 is about a person not about the bank or building; Page 29 is about a shop owned by a Mr. Arne not the bank, but mentions that the bank's roof is visible in the photo of Arne's shop and also mention that a man named Williams camped nearby in a lean-to and describes a ruined brick wall that remained where the bank had been; Page 31 simply mentions the bank be next to Arne's shop and a hardware store; Page 32 is a name check; Page 94 is OK to fact check the date the bank opened but does not contribute to notability, and also mentions that there was a name change; Page 119 is about Andrew Stewart who was a director at the bank; Page 185 mentions that the bank was a trustee for a person. To link these bits of factoids together into some kind of significant coverage of the bank or the building itself is original research WP:OR and synthesis WP:SYNTH. Netherzone (talk) 03:02, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

I think the Paul Whitman's source directly relates to the Carmel Bank as it mentions it in the source. The citation show notability as a reliable source. the Hale source is not a trade book. It points to coverage regarding the bank, its directors (officers), capital shares, history of the bank, and the date it was started (page 94). It goes into detail WP:SIGCOV! I don't understand why you can not relate to the facts that this is a prime example of Secondary source. Greg Henderson (talk) 20:27, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Do you mean Paul Whitman's personal website? Netherzone (talk) 21:14, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

The Paul Whitman, website, which includes a biography, a PDF by Mary Murray, that on page 4, says his bas reliefs were created for the Bank of Carmel building in the 1930s. I think this is important in that it ties Whitman, a respected artist, with being commissioned to do artwork, not only for this bank, but other buildings on the Monterey Peninsula. You may think it is minor, but anyone doing research in an encylopdia, should have access to this supporting documentation. To leave it out would be historically incorrect. Greg Henderson (talk) 21:33, 8 August 2024 (UTC)