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10/17/11 -- Hi All, The discussions below are from several years ago, and they pre-date me. I recently undertook a pretty extensive rewrite of the Bancroft School page in an attempt to make it neutral and NOT like an advertisement, but I see it's been flagged again as advertisement-like. Is there something specific I can change in order to have that flag removed? I see other independent schools that seem to have no issues. In fact, I tried to emulate those (e.g., Worcester Academy) during my rewrite. Any advice you can offer about how to get that flag removed would be greatly appreciated. JomalleyWK (talk) 15:54, 17 October 2011 (UTC) JomalleyWKL
The discussion below concerned an older version of this page. The new version of this page removed the redirect to the city of Worcester and created an actual wikipedia entry.--Gopple 23:22, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
Bancroft School was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made below the archived discussion rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS TO DELETE
Just another not-notable school. Seriously, it's not funny any more. No one cares about anyone else's school. - Vague Rant 04:32, Nov 6, 2004 (UTC)
- Seriously, it is funny. Don't lose your perspective on this. The biggest problem with the schools business is that people are getting intense about it. It doesn't matter that much. Everybody, just keep calling 'em as you see 'em, list them in VfD if you think they should be deleted, put in your votes in VfD, give short reasons, try gently to influence others. But don't anybody kid yourselves. A thousand stubs about non-notable schools simply doesn't matter much one way or the other. a) Deleting them all is not going to alienate valuable contributors. b) Deleting them is not a heroic act that is preventing a breach in a dyke that is holding back the North Sea. c) Including them is not going to induce rich alumni to donate to Wikimedia. d) Including them is not going to lower peoples' opinion of Wikipedia enough to matter. Almost nobody reads these articles. They just don't matter much. The only people who care about them are the people who contribute them and the people who argue about them in VfD. If you're spending too much time in VfD dealing with schools, go off and do something else. All be the same in a hundred years. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 17:21, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Another way to put it is to say these articles are useful to few and inconvenient to almost no one. They might not be the most important part of Wikipedia, but nothing is gained by deleting them. --L33tminion | (talk) 18:18, Nov 12, 2004 (UTC)
- Seriously, it is funny. Don't lose your perspective on this. The biggest problem with the schools business is that people are getting intense about it. It doesn't matter that much. Everybody, just keep calling 'em as you see 'em, list them in VfD if you think they should be deleted, put in your votes in VfD, give short reasons, try gently to influence others. But don't anybody kid yourselves. A thousand stubs about non-notable schools simply doesn't matter much one way or the other. a) Deleting them all is not going to alienate valuable contributors. b) Deleting them is not a heroic act that is preventing a breach in a dyke that is holding back the North Sea. c) Including them is not going to induce rich alumni to donate to Wikimedia. d) Including them is not going to lower peoples' opinion of Wikipedia enough to matter. Almost nobody reads these articles. They just don't matter much. The only people who care about them are the people who contribute them and the people who argue about them in VfD. If you're spending too much time in VfD dealing with schools, go off and do something else. All be the same in a hundred years. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 17:21, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- This is one of the more prestigious preps, so the topic is possible, but the article is not. I'm not sure that merely being prestigious is enough, either. That it has high academic standing is excellent as a selling point, but not actually notable by itself. Therefore, even though it would be possible to write an interesting article about the school, it is not probably possible to make the school stand out from other exclusive prep schools, and we don't need to be Peterson's Guide, so delete. Geogre 05:04, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Keep, or at the very least merge and redirect to Worcester, Massachusetts. This really is a rather famous school, and I'd expect that there could be a good article on it. Given, however, that it's just a stub, we might as well merge it into Worcester, let it incubate; it can always spin out as an article in its own right later. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:29, Nov 6, 2004 (UTC)
- Keep, famous school. This one definately needs an article. I could live with a merge to Worcester, Massachusetts —siroχo 11:17, Nov 6, 2004 (UTC)
- Keep Important school, one of these days a rich graduate will donate to us for having it on here ;). --ShaunMacPherson 12:32, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Delete. Not notable. --Improv 15:28, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Delete. Not sufficiently notable, and not enough material for a breakout article on the school. I have merged the relevant information into Worcester, Massachusetts#Preparatory schools, which, as it turns out, already mentioned the Bancroft School. What I believe to be a GFDL-compliant notice has been placed in Talk:Worcester, Massachusetts meaning that the article can now be deleted without violating GFDL (although I would not object to a redirect). The place for this material is in Worcester, Massachusetts where those interested in the town and able to judge notability can deal with it. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 17:08, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Agree with Dpbsmith. Average Earthman 17:14, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Delete, agree with the above. However, I will change it to "Strong Delete" if DP donates that five bucks. Ian Pugh 18:42, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Keep. I don't see the harm. Most people won't even look at school pages, and it's not as if space is an issue. I do see two benefits: (1) as a high school page grows, presumably notable alumni will be listed, which will lead to more information in the articles about those people, or new articles. (I'm the primary contributor to the Amherst College page, and red links do occasionally inspire to me to write a stub where I have enough information.) (2) as current students (and, to a lesser extent, alumni) of a school discover "their" page on Wikipedia, they will grasp in a way that they probably now don't, that we're looking for contributions from them. So, they add something to the page about their high school; then maybe they add something useful to a page about something else. -Rjyanco 19:32, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Well, to my way of thinking that's an argument for a redirect, not for a keep. If people are interested in Bancroft School and it redirects to Worcester, Massachusetts, they'll find it and if they want to add information they can add it there. The school description can be broken out into a separate article when it merits one. One of my User:Dpbsmith/BEEFSTEW criteria is "I) Would an alumnus of the school, reading the article, be pleased at how knowledgeable the article was?" I do not think for a minute that alums are going to get a warm fuzzy from reading "The Bancroft School of Worcester, Massachusetts, founded in 1901 is a K through 12 private school. It is located on Shore Drive, across the road from Indian Lake." It doesn't get that BEEFSTEW point. In fact I give it 0 points out of 10. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 20:36, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- I don't disagree that the quality of the article was low. But it wasn't given any chance: half an hour after the article was posted, there was a VfD. If any alumnus comes by the page and doesn't feel warm and fuzzy, aren't the odds that they'll try to do something about it, particularly if a rival school has a better page? (See [1].) If it sat for a month in that state, maybe a VfD would be called for; but this VfD has nothing to about article quality (should Centre College get a VfD?) and everything to do with what should or should not be in Wikipedia. And I don't necessarily think that prep schools shouldn't be. -Rjyanco 01:12, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Well, to my way of thinking that's an argument for a redirect, not for a keep. If people are interested in Bancroft School and it redirects to Worcester, Massachusetts, they'll find it and if they want to add information they can add it there. The school description can be broken out into a separate article when it merits one. One of my User:Dpbsmith/BEEFSTEW criteria is "I) Would an alumnus of the school, reading the article, be pleased at how knowledgeable the article was?" I do not think for a minute that alums are going to get a warm fuzzy from reading "The Bancroft School of Worcester, Massachusetts, founded in 1901 is a K through 12 private school. It is located on Shore Drive, across the road from Indian Lake." It doesn't get that BEEFSTEW point. In fact I give it 0 points out of 10. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 20:36, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Keep - SimonP 20:38, Nov 6, 2004 (UTC)
- Article does not establish notability. Delete. RickK 20:41, Nov 6, 2004 (UTC)
- No schools unless of decisive importance. JFW | T@lk 04:01, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- D If this is such a notable and prestigious school, prove it by adding some relevant information in the article. Chris 17:14, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Delete for reasons enumerated before. Indrian 06:34, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect to Worcester, Massachusetts#Preparatory schools The Steve 03:13, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)
- Delete unless some attempt made in article to establish notability. If you think it should be kept because you know it's significant, how about giving us a sentence or two to go by? -[[User:Aranel|Aranel ("Sarah")]] 03:16, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Keep. I would say merge with Worcester, Massachusetts, but that page already has a list of schools - it would overburden that page to detail each school. zoney ♣ talk 21:15, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Keep and expand. Schools are inherently notable. --Andylkl 09:19, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Delete - nothing to the article - could be merged as suggested above but nothing to hold this as its own article. - Tεxτurε 18:30, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Keep The bellman 21:23, 2004 Nov 11 (UTC)
- Keep it. [[User:Radman1|RaD Man (talk)]] 17:29, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Keep. Looks like a valid stub to me. Give articles some time to grow. --L33tminion | (talk) 18:15, Nov 12, 2004 (UTC)
- Keep. No reasonable cause to delete - David Gerard 19:44, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
End archived discussion -- Graham ☺ | Talk 01:36, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Back up.
editI've added more than just the bare bones stub from before. I think this is a better start, and I know there are more notable alumni. I'll just need to do a little more research.