Talk:Balquhidder

Old church or new church?

Sankta Birgittas kapell (St Brigid's Chapel or Church) at Klippan in Gothenburg, Sweden, is modelled on "the church at Balquhidder". But which one? The old one or the new one?

Sankta Birgittas was commissioned for by the wealthy 19th century Scottish philanthropist and social reformer David Carnegie (who I assume is one and the same as "David Carnegie of Stronach"), in his "model village" Klippan (à la New Lanark), and designed by architect and railway engineer Adolf W. Edelsvärd, see sv:Adolf W. Edelsvärd (who I understand actually visited Balquhidder to take sketches, see [1]).

This page says "The Carnegies came to Stronvar in 1849, and it was they who built Stronvar House and the present Church" and "The present church was given by David Carnegie of Stronvar".

I had assumed that the Gothenburg church was a copy of the auld kirk, but it seems to actually be an identical twin sister of Carnegie's new, gothic-style kirk! Could those familiar with the Balquhidder churches please have a look at pictures of the Gothenburg one, and clarify:

• [2] (photo at foot of page)
• [[3]] (photo at foot of page)

Thanks. --Mais oui! 09:21, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Carnegie had the kirk of Balquhidder built and ready in 1855. The same plan was used to build the chapel in Gothenburg in 1856-1857, in service from first of june 1857. The Gothenburg chapel was artistically planned by Edelswärd. According to Ingmar Lindås in the parish leaflet issued to the chapels 150 years anniversary. Se Balquhidder church to see resemblance in building plan. /Johan Jönsson 18:13, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Tack ska du ha! ;) --Mais oui! 10:35, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Gaelic Form

Isn't the Gaelic form Both Chuidir? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.9.161.215 (talk) 01:45, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

What's your reference for that form and what does it mean? The pronunciation and meaning section here supports the form currently in the article. Mutt Lunker (talk) 12:45, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

That's what the Gaelic Wikipedia has[4]. No idea what it means though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.13.97.58 (talk) 18:35, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Its used by the Register Office (Table 3)[5] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.13.97.58 (talk) 20:41, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

As they're both citable we probably ought to list both versions then, although it would be nice to find a translation for Both Chuidir. I'd guess both may be related to bothy but that is only a guess. Mutt Lunker (talk) 21:32, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

This site suggests "Baile-chuidir, meaning 'the town or land of joint occupancy". If the etymology is in fact from some form of "Both Chuidir", Am Faclair Beag (Gaelic to English) for both gives " hut, tent, bower, bothie, now bùth, and if chuidir means something like "joint occupancy" perhaps Both Chuidir means, something like the 'shared bothy'.

I'd have slight reservations about the reliability of an apparently commercially-based tourism site but this one does seem well written overall.

This would give us three variants of the Gaelic form, two with citable translations/derivations. Your stab at the derivation of Both Chuidir would thus seem logical but we can't state it in the article without a citation. Good work though. Mutt Lunker (talk) 00:46, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

George Mackay in 'Scottish Place Names' has it originating from Baile Foider, the second element being Old Norse fothr meaning fodder. Fother is also a Scots form. David Ross in 'Scottish Place-Names' gives the same adding the spelling Buffudire recorded in 1266. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.4.226.39 (talk) 22:28, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

The name is Both Chuidir, Gaelicised Pictish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.54.172.127 (talk) 13:11, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

• Mac an Tàilleir, Iain (2003) has this. "Balquhidder: Both Chuidir or Both Phuidir. The meaning of this name is unclear except that both is a 'hut'. " I can see no sign of a derivation in Watson. Ben MacDui 18:53, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

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Hi I was wondering your source for the Maclaren/Macgregor arrival date in Balquhidder? Cordially Hilton 2600:1700:54A1:4700:EC06:521B:A4D1:341F (talk) 15:14, 3 December 2022 (UTC)