Talk:Badr Hari

Why cutting out the necessary details for his red card punishment

"During the penalty time Hari proceeded to Bonjasky’s corner and argued with his trainer Ivan Hippolyte yet officials prevented any further physical contact between them." This lead to his red card. Kasaalan (talk) 13:33, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

He was not issued a red card because he argued with his trainer. That's completely irrelevant. He was issued a red card due to unsportsmanlike conduct.Marty Rockatansky (talk) 21:25, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

It is strictly forbidden leaving your corner during penalty time, he left his corner, gone to the other corner, argued with his opponents trainer, and if referee didn't make on time, he would do physical contact to him. Either this incident is the reason he punished with a red card or not, important enough to be mentioned, because it is one of the reasons he punished as severely. During the penalty time Hari proceeded to Bonjasky’s corner and argued with his trainer Ivan Hippolyte who also approach to Hari, yet officials prevented any further physical contact between them. This part is important, very rare case in professional matchs, let alone K1. Also one of the reasons he fined this greatly. Whether it is actual reason or not it is important mentioning this. Don't try cutting it out constantly.

Read this article also, his action greatly involved with his red card. "At this point he had to be restrained by the referee, whom he attempted to manhandle in an effort to get back at the now dazed Bonjasky, and his opponent's coach and Muay Thai legend Ivan Hippolyte. Up to now, the referee was giving Hari considerable leeway--he presented him with a yellow card when he clearly had grounds for a disqualification. Had Hari calmed down at this juncture, the fight may have been allowed to continue. His behavior would deteriorate even further, however, as Bonjasky was allowed a five minute recovery period. While his opponent attempted to regain his bearings on a stool, Hari stood in the opposite corner sneering and yelling taunts calling Bonjasky--among other things--a "sissy". Hari then had to be restrained from heading over to his opponent's corner, presumably to attack him as he sit dazed from the earlier illegal barrage. Hari retreated, only to resume his glaring and sneering at Bonjasky and beginning a trash talking contest with essentially everyone he could find at ringside including the announcers, judges and his own corner.

The referee had now seen enough--he addressed the crowd in Japanese stating that Hari had attacked Bonjasky while on the ground. Bonjasky was now seeing double as a result of the illegal attack and, the referee continued, this behavior was not only completely unsportsmanlike but an affront to the high standards of competition for which K-1 stands. Then, with a flourish reminiscent of Chairman Kaga unveiling the theme ingredient on the TV show "Iron Chef", the referee brandished a red card toward Hari and dramatically announced "Disqualified".

Hari wasn't finished with his thuggish behavior, however, and as the K-1 officials tried to start the awards ceremony he remained in the ring with his entourage glaring menacingly toward Bonjasky. After a tense moment where Hari and his team wouldn't leave when asked by K-1 officials--and to which the announcer suggested somewhat seriously that Kimbo Slice (who was in attendance as a commentator and to sign autographs) be enlisted to help defuse the situation--the defeated and disgraced fighter sulked toward the locker room talking trash to fans along the way.

It was a shocking meltdown for a fighter who entered the night K-1's top young superstar. While his illegal "ground and pound" attack was certainly an egregious offense, it was also one that could have been chalked up to a combination of being in the "heat of battle" and from the fatigue of fighting three fights in one night. What is far less conscionable was his behavior *after* the initial yellow card--at that point it was almost as if he wanted to behave in as unsporting a manner as possible. It'll be interesting to see how--or even "if"--Hari and his handlers try to rationalize and hopefully apologize for his punk-like behavior that resulted in a climax unfitting of what had been until that point an excellent night of fighting." [1]

We may also mention Hari's claim on Bonjasky acting. "After Bonjasky had countered with a middle kick, Hari grabbed the his opponent's leg and threw him to the mat. That's the sort of marginal foul a fighter can get away with most of the time, but Hari wasn't done. His fighting spirit hijacked by rage, Hari then approached his downed opponent to pound down a couple of punches. He'd crossed the line, but incredibly he wasn't finished. Even as veteran referee Nobuaki Kakuda tried to wrest him away, Hari persisted, stomping a heel onto Bonjasky's head. The crowd was stunned into silence. Bad boy Hari was forcibly coaxed to a neutral corner as Bonjasky lay motionless on the mat. Hari was assessed a yellow card and a one-point penalty, and the ringside doctor came in to have a look at Bonjasky. After the five-minute recovery interval elapsed, the doctor reported Bonjasky was still seeing double and could not continue. A furious Kakuda then showed Hari a red card and declared him disqualified for unsportsmanlike conduct. Bonjasky had the win. "I wanted to win, but not this way," said a teary-eyed Bonjasky from center-ring. "Remy's corner was screaming at him to stay down," said a defiant Hari in his post-fight interview. "I came to fight and he didn't. He's a great actor." "I don't have anything to say to Badr," said Bonjasky afterward. "I still have some double vision. I also have a headache. If this was to happen in another major sport like soccer, it would be a serious problem. I was in tears because I trained very hard for this, and put many things aside to be able to train so much. I didn't want it to end like it did." K-1 Event Producer Sadaharu Tanikawa's post-event remarks suggested that Hari's conduct had not only hurt Bonjasky the fighter, but also K-1 the sport: "It was such a careless thing for Badr Hari to do. He was incredible in the first and second fights, so it was such a waste. The event was broadcast to 150 countries. If we forgave Hari for such behavior, it would be insulting to all the other fighters. Giving him a red card means he will be fined his entire purse. On top of that, we will have to think of some further punishment after discussing this with [rules director] Nobuaki Kakuda." "As a Grand Prix, it was an extremely interesting event, however the ending wasn't good."" [2]

Sidelined for a year

I changed the part of Badr being sidelined for a year. Firstly he fought again 6 months later and secondly sidelined implies being unable to fight. To fight you need to train and Hari would have been training for a few months before his return 6 months after the Graham fight. Boils (talk) 12:29, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

moroccan nationality?

Is he actually a citizen of Morocco? He's even listed in the tournaments by flag under Morocco, when I'm pretty sure it should be the dutch flag-- even if he still had moroccan citizenship, which I don't believe he does.66.190.29.150 (talk) 12:26, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

He does, since it is impossible to get rid of it. I think it's his own choice to fight under Moroccan flag though. Cocytus Antenora (talk) 19:48, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

He has both nationality's so both should be listed at his personal information under nationality. K-1 let's him fight under Moroccan flag to have a more diverse selection at their Grand Prix so his fights should be listed with the Moroccan flag.86.90.69.159 (talk) 17:10, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm just curious if anyone has anything to support either way? The article cites that he was born in the Netherlands, but I don't know if he has Moroccan citizenship - not really familiar with Moroccan law at all. If he doesn't then I don't see why his nationality should be listed as Moroccan as well unless he lives there now. PEiP (talk) 07:54, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

  Is he moroccan ?

> Yes he is. Almost all Badrs familly lives in Morocco, and because he is the son of emigrants, they had to declare about there sons in Moroccan embassy and in Netherlands to avoid problems in case they want to move to Morocco. I hope you understand now...

    Why he is not fighting under Netherlands flag ?

> Badr Hari was fighting under netherlands flag till he lost his match with Stefan Leko in 12 juin 2005, it was the first time his parents assist his fight, he asked for the microphone to say a word to the dutch audience but they booed at him, Badr Hari says : i thought to myself "I have never witnessed such kind of ungratefulness". From that day Badr Hari decided to represent Morocco and stopped working together with Tom Harinck, Simon Rutz became his business manager, and Mike Passenier his new coach. ( Reference: uitzending gemist TV, emission called profile contains Badr Hari's interview . Link : http://www.uitzendinggemist.nl/afleveringen/1102838 ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aquaporines (talk • contribs) 02:12, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

    Where Was He Really Born?

> The page is butchered. There are *3* different birthplaces written. One in his stats/info profile, one at the start (broken coded hack-job), and one in "early life". Torydude (talk) 08:43, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Stripped of title?

In the heading it says Hari was 'stripped' of his title, which I think is incorrect. He was disqualified during the match, therefore he never won the title, therefore it can't be stripped from him. I've changed the text. Cocytus Antenora (talk) 19:50, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

He was stripped of his heavyweight championship and the "title" of being the runner-up in the GP. --aktsu ^(t / c) 19:54, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

OK, I didn't know that. It doesn't say so in the article currently linked to, but if you have a source feel free to add it in. Cocytus Antenora (talk) 09:18, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

http://www.k-1.co.jp/k-1gp/b08_1217.htm Here is a source that states that he was stripped from the title. Can someone else please add this (and remove the part that states he is heavyweight champion) (my english sucks) Hmmmmmz (talk) 11:50, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

hall evrey body The disqulification in the boniaski match should not be in the introduction as it is not definitory for a fighters career.I am removing that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Neohertz (talk • contribs) 21:17, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Aggressive Tendencies

Nothing in this article about Badr Hari's tendency to abuse people outside of the ring. His neighbors and ex-girlfriend, among others. He got a jail sentence for this in 2006. Also, the police were looking for him after a club's doorman was abused[3] and he's still in jail.[4] All these things are documented, were/are in the media, have lots of (on-line) sources. --82.171.70.54 (talk) 16:06, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Done (in the introduction section). Add further details. Devilecstasy (talk) 01:16, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Done? Is there a reason his multiple arrests warrant only a single sentence with no elaboration? I'd edit it myself but it would reverted almost instantly. Wikipedia works!

Breaking news (July 23/24): Badr Hari has been officially accused of more violence. Claims are that two more people got beaten up by Badr Hari, namely Koen Everink (a millionaire) and Jeroen van den Berg (the owner of club Air).[5] Badr Hari has announced he wants to himself himself in to the police.[6] --82.170.113.123 (talk) 16:06, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Apparently yet another person got beaten up.[7] Badr Hari is currently in jail again.[8] By the way, still just a single line of text in the article about everything that is mentioned in this section. --82.170.113.123 (talk) 01:44, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

I like how he keeps beating people on the ground, then claims he's a stand-up fighter who "fights like a man" to avoid MMA fights. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.199.117.207 (talk) 05:45, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

There is currently a Controversy section in the article, which contains information about the assaults mentioned here on the Talk page. In my opinion, there is now sufficient information about this subject in the article. --82.170.113.123 (talk) 11:02, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Some really poor English in the Controversy section of the article: quote 'He made career threw Estelle sexual relationship and went on Dutch News but barely came on the Dutch television positive, in prison rumours had that he had sex with male prisoners.' This should be removed or updated to wiki standards. Amschouten (talk) 09:50, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

2006 GP Osaka Mistake

After being knocked down by Karaev in the second round, Hari stood back up, slipped a punch and delievered a KO blow with a straight right to Karaev.[5]

Despite being knocked out, Hari was once again picked as a reserve fighter in the K-1 Grand Prix 2006 Finals against Paul Slowinski. He won the fight by unanimous decision.

I'm pretty sure that in that sentence Karaev is mistaken for Hari, in the official results it says that Hari was the one knocked out and from the next sentence it's pretty clear that's what happened I think it's just a typing mistake. I'll exchange the names in that sentence and hope I didn't do some unintentional damage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dux667 (talk • contribs) 20:23, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

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pov

"Under Harinck, Hari developed into one of the greatest kickboxing talents of the Netherlands."...pov

Antonio the ruler Martin (talk) 08:03, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

>Yes Mr Antonio it's true, i added few lines to the section and now it could make more sens to you. The reference is listed but it's in dutch, you can search for a translated video of the interview in youtube, it exists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aquaporines (talk • contribs) 22:29, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Citations Lacking for Badr Hari's Future

The article says that: "In April 2012, new K-1 Global President Mike Kim announced that Hari would make his comeback under the organization's banner. Hari's first fight was on May 27, 2012 in Madrid, Spain against Anderson "Braddock" Silva. Hari won the bout via unanimous decision. Badr Hari is scheduled to participate in K-1's final qualifications in October in Asia and the K-1 World Grand Prix Final in New York in December."

There is no citation for this; the citations that were originally linked to these sentences had nothing to do with either of them. Can someone update the article with information regarding Badr Hari's future that has adequate citations? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.135.189.9 (talk) 19:47, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

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The curious case of Badr Hari's record.

For the last 2 days I have tried to update Badr Hari's record, providing sources to back this up, but some other users keep reverting the changes. The argument I'm making is very simple: Hari does not have a record with 106 wins and 92 (T)KOs, and the numbers presented are as good as impossible unless the most popular and famous kickboxer in the world managed to fight in dozens of fights that nobody seems to remember and he won virtually all of these fights by (T)KO.

Unfortunately, nearly all my sources consist of actual footage of the fights hosted on Youtube, which Wikipedia doesn't allow me to link to. Therefore, I have included the name of the videos, so anyone can look them up themselves.

The first time a record of Hari is mentioned is in the 2003 documentary "Vechtershart", produced by Dutch broadcaster IKON. The documentary starts just before Hari's fight with Karim Mrabet and states his record is 35-1 with 25 (T)KOs ("1/2 Badr Hari (18year) & Tom Harinck documentary"). The documentary is obviously filmed in 2002, with the move to Pancration being shown. The fight Hari has after the Mrabet fight, his second fight with Ahmet Lakus, is also shown in the documentary. I think we can safely assume that Hari and Harinck, Hari's trainer at the time, wouldn't purposely downplay the number of wins Hari had on his record, so 35-1 it is at the time of the Mrabet fight, which he goes on to lose.

It's only 6 months after the Mrabet fight that Hari makes his It's Showtime debut against Alexey Ignashov, going 3-1 in the meantime, and with all the attention he started to get from then on it's nearly impossible that any fights he had went under the radar. Between the Ignashov fight and his K-1 debut against Stefan Leko, Hari wins 7 fights and loses his first match to Leko. From that moment onward he only fights in the world's biggest organisations. Between then and his "retirement fight" against Gökhan Saki, he won 21 fights with 18 (T)KOs and lost 7. This would put his record going into the 2012 Saki fight at 66-12 with 48 (T)KOs. But, when he's announced at the event, his record is announced as being 88-10 with 77 (T)KOs ("Its Showtime 2012 Badr Hari vs Gokhan Saki"). This would mean there are 29 fights missing from his record which he had all won by (T)KO, not to mention the 2 losses that have miraculously disappeared.

Then, in 2013, 2 fights after the Saki fight, Hari fights Zabit Samedov in Moscow and is announced as having fought 111 fight and winning 100 fights ("Badr hari vs Zabit Samedov 2014 HD 1080"). In the 16 months following the Saki fight, Hari went 2-0 against Anderson Braddock Silva and Samedov, but also miraculously gained another 9 wins on his record!

In Glory, Hari is now presented as having a 106-14 (92 (T)KOs) record . Between the Saki fight, in which, once again, his record was announced as 88-10 with 77 (T)KOs, and now, Hari has only won 7 fights (4 (T)KOs), lost 4 and had 1 fight turned into a No Contest. Once again, the numbers don't add up. He has too many wins, too few losses, and he can't possibly has won that many fight by (T)KO, unless one of the most popular kickboxers in the world managed to literally have dozens of fights that completely went without anyone mentioning them and winning all of them by (T)KO.

So, what is Hari's real record? Whether the 35-1 (25 (T)KOs) mentioned in "Vechtershart" was his real record in 2002 is unverifiable, but there's also nothing to disprove it, unlike his records against Saki and in Glory. If we believe the record provided by Hari and Harinck and add verified fights, we get a record of 74 wins with 53 (T)KOs, 16 losses, 0 draws, and 1 No Contest. Taking the above into account, I propose Hari's record on his Wikipedia page is either changed to just reflect the fights that are verified or the verified fights plus his record in the documentary.

Kipjes (talk) 10:45, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi! You are definitely entitled to fix his record. Badr fought in Europe, not in Morocco, and cannot justify dozens of fights. He wouldn't be the first anyway, but if we have evidence he holds another record like this, you should post it. I hope the fanatic Moroccan IP stops threatening you, because for this you don't even need any consensus or at least goodwill. Just saying that extra 35-1 is a lot to close the eyes. .karellian-24 (talk) 14:10, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, User talk:.karellian-24. Unfortunately, I think I'll have to leave it for now before this turns into an edit war. I'll just quickly give a short summary so his record can be adjusted appropriately at a later date.

Argument: Hari's purported record of 106 wins and 92 (T)KOs is heavily inflated, based on the sources I'll mention now. All fights and records can be found when watching the fight footage on Youtube, which Wikipedia doesn't let me link to.

1) Hari's record is first mentioned in the 2003 documentary "Vechtershart" as 35-1 with 25(T)KOs. The documentary starts while Hari's preparing for the Mrabet fight, which he loses, so his record after that fight is 35-2. Given that the documentary focuses on Hari, we can safely assume his record was provided by him and his team and there's no reason to assume Hari had more wins at the time. His record could possibly be worse, as the following sources will show wins are added quite liberally to his record, but we have no evidence that that is the case. Of course Hari must've had quite a few fight before he became a well-known kickboxer, so dismissing any unverified fight from before he became prominent seems a bit harsh. Therefore, let us give it the benefit of the doubt and proclaim his record at 18 years old as 35-1.

2) The next two times I could find any records was in It's Showtime against Mourad Bouzidi and Gökhan Saki. Let us take a step back here. Between the Mrabet fight and the first Ignashov fight, Hari went 3-1 with 1 (T)KO victory, making his record 38-3. He then lost against Ignashov, making it 38-4. It's from here on out that Hari's prominence really starts to build and it's unlikely any fights would go under the radar. Between the Ignashov fight and Hari's K-1 debut, we have a verified record of 7-1 with 4 (T)KO wins, making his record 45-5 (25 (T)KOs). From his K-1 debut until the Saki fight Hari only fights in the world's biggest promotions, often headlining cards, so the chances of any fights going undocumented are nearly zero.

Between Hari's K-1 debut and the Bouzidi fight, Hari wins 18 fights of which 16 by (T)KO, and loses 6 fights. This would bring his record to 63-11 with 41(T)KOs. When Hari is announced his record is purported to be 85-9 with 75 (T)KOs. The fact 22 wins would go undocumented seems strange, but stranger is the fact 2 documented defeats disappeared of his record. The strangest thing, though, is his KO ratio. Let's just look at actual documented fights here. We have 30 recorded wins until the Bouzidi fight, in which Hari scored 23 (T)KOs. This would mean at this point there are 58 undocumented wins of which 54 were by (T)KO. Given that Hari has been in the spotlight since the age of 18, these fights would've needed to have taken place before that. If there was a kid out there fighting primarily in Amsterdam and surroundings who maintained a 93% KO ratio between the age of 7, when Hari started training, and the age of 18, people definitely would've noticed and reported on it. No such report exist.

3) So, in the Saki fight, Hari record is 88-10 with 77(T)KOs, which matches up with the Bouzidi record as Hari won 2 and lost 1 fight in the mean time. This is, of course, ignoring the ridiculous number of missing fights in the Bouzidi fight. It gets strange, once again, once we get to the second Samedov fight in 2013. Between and including the Saki fight and that fight Hari goes 2-0, making his "Bouzidi/Saki"-record 90-11, and his "verified + documentary" record 69-13. Oddly, when he's announced his record is 100-11. Where all these extra wins come from and why his losses keep disappearing is anyone's guess.

4) It seems that Glory just sort of kept counting from there when he signed with them. In the Gerges fight, Hari's record is 106-13 (92 (T)KOs). Hari won 5 fights in between the Samedov fight and lost 2, including the Samedov fight, so there's a loss missing and there's yet another undocumented win that popped up.

Seeing how the record It's Showtime used in the Bouzidi and Saki fights doesn't match up with the verified fights we know of and Hari's earliest mentioned record, and the fact the It's Showtime record doesn't match up with the Glory record, it seems Hari's record is, to put it bluntly, made up and most probably a marketing tool. That is, of course, unless the most popular kickboxer in the world managed to have 58 undocumented fights of which he won 54 by (T)KO without anyone ever mentioning them anywhere.

Once again, I propose we change Hari's record to 74-16-0-1 with 53(T)KOs. It's unreasonable to assume Hari didn't have any fights before the first verified fight, so I think it's most honest to use the first record mentioned by him and his team, which is his pre-Mrabet record of 35-1(20 (T)KOs). Adding all the verified fights after that brings us to the aforementioned 74-16-0-1 (53 (T)KOs). Kipjes (talk) 01:09, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

I agree with you on a consensus. Wikipedia relies on evidence. Unfortunately the promotions rely on Wikipedia. The fighter from Suriname that faced Rigters also had a fake record. Unfortunately these fanboys will keep reverting it, getting involved into a war of edits. My plan on Wikipedia is to be discreet (and maximum to get protection for pages) but it's not fair to cannibalise articles. I mean, somebody is even changing his results. .karellian-24 (talk) 19:59, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

There are kickboxers on their first fights, and they already "own" a 15-0 record or so. But Badr was probably +30 up in plus (extra). I know Badr since the 2000s, and if really started his professional career in 2000 then this record is totally fake. =)) :D How to fight 35 times in 14 months? Not just that Hari's record is exposed by anyone with some logic, but you also have evidence. It's a pushed lie! .karellian-24 (talk) 20:10, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Funny to see a Dutch guy(Rico fan) and a Romanian guy (Adegbuyi fan) speculate on something they think they have evidence for, and think they know better than the great Glory. Spend your time arguing and playing internet detectives other than someone who has a more successful career than you. The record stays and again i advice you to open a forum together and expres your emotions. Atlaslion1912 (talk) 23:21, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Hey Lala migos, can you provide a link to your discussion with David Gerard that you're referring to here [9], because I can't find anything on your, his or the page's talk page. Thanks! Kipjes (talk) 05:54, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

References

His counted record from his documentary is actually 80 wins recorded. Farhan Mirdha (talk) 15:31, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

The Moroccan fans have totally erased the suspensions for doping of Badr Hari

The Moroccan fans have totally erased the suspensions for doping of Badr Hari. What is this, now he is only a guy with legal problems? Just violent and that's all, at the end of the article? In the beginning, everything was deleted. Zbreller (talk) 18:40, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Fans deleted his loss to the Polish

This article has persistent vandalism. .karellian-24 (talk) 23:05, 3 February 2022 (UTC)