Talk:Awami League

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Some grammatical errors corrected. Some spelling errors corrected. Duplicate links removed. The only factual change is the removal of the word "dictatorships" as used to refer to Zia and Ershad's rules, and modification of the information centering around the recent conflicts.

History of Awami League

It was not founded as 'East Pakistan Awami League'. It was founded as 'Awami Muslim League' to distinct it from 'Muslim League' which was mostly dominated by ellite of that time. Later the word 'Muslim' was cut to make it more seculer and attract considerable hindu minority in East Pakistan. It was founded by 'Hussain Shaheed Soharwardi'. This is the reason 'Awami League' Hides it history if you don't believe do a search on their website no mention of any history of the party! [1]. and not surprisingly no mention of the Creator of the party on entire website [2]. Please for confirmation check [3]. I am entering the information in a way that it won't be offending for many people.

Zain 19:06, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Note: I am adding that AL was originally a breakaway faction of "All Pakistan Muslim League." However, AL claims that it wanted to represent all people not just Muslim, that's why dropped the word "Muslim." Please no politically motivated speech. Chronologically: "All Pakistan Muslim League" > "All Pakistan Awami Muslim League" > "All Pakistan Awami League" > "Awami League" > "Bangladesh Krishak Sramik Awami League" > "Bangladesh Awami League." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 160.39.208.182 (talk • contribs) .

International affiliation

I'm not sure how any of these affiliations are justified. What links the Democratic Party of USA, Indian National Congress and the UK Labour Party? The ideologies of these parties are not quite the same. Unless any proof is provided, I'd prefer to remove all such "affiliations". --Ragib 18:33, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Note: It is really fishy: I don't think even AL claims these affiliations. However, all these parties help AL to some extent or other in real life but that can't be called "affiliation." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 160.39.208.182 (talk • contribs) .

Awami League is well known as democratic party through out the World.Awami leagues branch organisations of Germany,Great Britain,France,Italy and many other EU countries maintain sound relationship with many political parties and social organisations of EU. In some countries these party activist are very well accepted as local party activist.Due to the Military take Over of 1975 and assassination of Father of the Nation Bango Bhandhu Sk.Mujibur Rahman Awami League have highest number of foreign activist and they all well organised.Awami League in EU or USA is capable to call a demonstration and capable to make it successful in big Cities like New york,Los-Angeles,Dallas,Chicago,Berlin,Paris,London,Madrid,Stockholm.Oslo,Amsterdam,Brussels,Copenhagen,Helsinki,Warsaw,Moscow,Kiev and many other EU cities and villages even, same is the case with Asia-Pacific countries.In Scandinavian countries,Great Britain and Germany and all most all EU countries AL party activist are connected the main stream politics. During the ruling of last Care taker Government ,the protest action of AL activists of the above mentioned countries were covered by well stabilised International news media and created enormous pressure to relise political detainees including our President Sk.Hasina Wazed.EU Awami League created pressure on EU head office in Brussels in order to create further political pressure on Bangladesh Military Govt. after 1975 several times . These series of political activities were only possible by party activist for having strong ties with the central AL Office of Bangladesh and AL activist have enough confidence on Party President Sk.Hasina Wazed.She is the source of power and steering of Awami ideology.The party is very well known and affiliated with British Labour Party,Conservative Parties as well Democrats and Republican in USA.In Germany Awami League is well connected with SPD,CDU,CSU and the Alliance 90 Green party.In Sweden with Social democratic party.The Austrian and Greece Awami League are two strongest base of EU AL.If some one need any help,the party activist will be too glad to help any one regardless to their party origin,religion etc.AL activists help gladly Bangladesh Citizen but other citizen can seek help from AL activist through out Europe and North America. One who has written the above article must be very busy with his education or business or some thing else. The current Awami League is bigger than ever before and are affiliated with many many organisations of the World.The party activist are well organised and are getting bigger and united day by day.......... If these are not enough then for further documentary evidence please contact AL Head Office in Bangladesh --Frankfurt55 (talk) 01:33, 24 July 2012 (UTC)--Frankfurt55 (talk) 01:33, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Restoring NPOV

"in the 18 democratic years"

History does not make distinction between democratic and undemocratic years. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.92.56.28 (talk • contribs) .

Note: 1975-1990 democratic? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 160.39.208.182 (talk • contribs) .

"failed to some extent"

False statement. "The government failed". Please act like an adult. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.92.56.28 (talk • contribs) .

Note: Better try acting neutral. The UN predicted half-a-million death in 1972 alone, to start with. And consider the left over Pakistan lovers. Extreme communists. Jasod. Sorbohara. No one's claiming total success for the first AL government, but total failure? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 160.39.208.182 (talk • contribs) .

"As Bangladesh continued exporting jute to Egypt violating US economic sanction, the Nixon government barred food-grain supplies from reaching the country that Bangladesh had already paid for."

Requires citation of historic documents and references. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.92.56.28 (talk • contribs) .

Note: Please check Bengali or English books on 1972-1975 by any writer; if you like then ones by people opposing Mujib all the way.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 160.39.208.182 (talk • contribs) .

"mostly revolutionary communist elements"

False! All political opponents were targeted. And it was preceded by no insurgency. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.92.56.28 (talk • contribs) .

Note: Bangladesh did not have almost any right wing party at that time, and all the parties other than AL rallied behind Jasod. The Sorboharas were blowing police stations, district adminstrative offices, looting banks, killing MP's, demanding a communist state ruled by Jasod (Jatiya Samajtantrik Dal or National Socialist Party). What else to make it an insurgency? Also, the remnants and offsprings of the Sorbohara still exist in south-west, re-emerging after 2000 after a few years gap. They are still considered insurgents as capable of India's Naxals or Maoists to much extent. Please contradict me if you know better, but please don't if you just read about these. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 160.39.208.182 (talk • contribs) .

"massacre"

It does not qualify as massacre. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.92.56.28 (talk • contribs) .

Note: Well, as you define it. For some people killing two means massacre, for some 3 million is too little. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 160.39.208.182 (talk • contribs) .

More changes are required to make this article objective. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.92.56.28 (talk • contribs) .

Note: Then why don't you make it objective rather than going blindly bashing anyone? History is about telling the truth not calculating who is to be blamed. Please help better the article than trying to politicise it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 160.39.208.182 (talk • contribs) .

Rapid Action Battalion

Please could any interested editors please view the new article about the Rapid_Action_Battalion, since it has been started from scratch. Cheers, Tompsci 15:08, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Sajib Wazed Joy

The paragraph regarding Joy seems irrelevant and based on speculation only. It should be removed.

Introduction

Edited the previous one into a more comprehensive one. --ChaudhryAzan (talk) 16:02, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Bangladesh Awami League

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• From Chittagong: "Chittagong City". Banglapedia. Retrieved August 15, 2009.
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insufficient information on AL page

I ENTERED THE OFFICIAL WEB SITE OF BANGLADESH AWAMI LEAGUE,I WANTED TO SEE THE LIST OF ELECTED PARLIAMENT MEMBERS OF 1996 ELECTIONS WITH FULL INFORMATION,ie LIST WITH BIO & PICTURE.I HAVE A RELATIVE WHO WAS ELECTED PARLIAMENT MEMBER IN 1996 ELECTIONS,BUT I WAS DISAPPOINTED NOT TO FIND HIM OR HIS PICTURE.MPs WHO HAVE HELPED MADE AWAMI LEAGUE WINNER IN 1996 AFTER SO LONG TIME SHOULD GET MORE CREDIT.THEIR NAMES,PICTURES & SHORT BIO WOULD GIVE THEM SATISFACTION & HONOR.

THANKS.

JEWEL — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.200.63.140 (talk) 16:31, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Year 1976 -1981

History of 1976- 1981 is missing .Also History about the leaders of that period /time who were the true trusted friend and followers of Our Father of the nation & Bangobondhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman.(e.g.Late Mrs.Zohra Taj uddin ,Late Abdul Malek Ukil (X President

Bangladesh Awami league)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.223.94.184 (talk) 00:04, 11 February 2014 (UTC) 

Idealogy in infobox

While today's AL has no idealogy, removing social liberalism and social democracy from the infobox is unacceptable and politically motivated. Keep in mind, this party was once the region's leading liberal democratic force aside from the Congress in India.--Uck22 (talk) 18:11, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

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Unexplained removal

If there's Bengali text, what sense does it make to say "translated from Urdu"? --Salma Mahmoud (talk) 23:15, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Bengali text is there for Transliteration, not for Translation. Awami/Awam both are Urdu words, nerver adopted or used by Bengalis for common people or general public.

What was quite funny though was the fact that some Awami League ( was founded as All Pakistan Awami Muslim League in Dhaka, the capital of the then Pakistani province of East Bengal) politicians criticise ‘Zindabad’ word for its urdu origin but their party bear a urdu name [4] and awami party flag also bears a close resemblance to the flag of Pakistan!! in 2011; a survey also found that most of Bangladeshis even don't know the meaning of awam. ;-))))---Gaurh (talk) 10:25, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Its only there for transliteration now because you've edited it to say so. Either way, your proposition still doesn't make any sense because I'm pretty sure that "league" isn't a Bengali word either; so its quite redundant to include "translated from Urdu" in the lead paragraph of an article about a Bengali party that, as you've pointed out, wants to distance themselves from Urdu. --Salma Mahmoud (talk) 20:20, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Indeed "league" isn't a Bengali word but "adopted urdu" (loan) word (Urdu: لیگ) (wiktionary: لیگ) borrowings from English language. You can ask or may request awami politicians to rename their party! If possible, start RFC, good luck!—Gaurh (talk) 09:18, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Bengali Translation of "Bangladesh Awami League" is "বাংলাদেশ গণসংঘ" Bānlādēśa gaṇasaṅgha- "Bangladesh Ganasangha"—Gaurh (talk) 00:17, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Ideology and position in infobox

As a result of a recent minor dispute, the last true ideology (outside of nationalist and patriotic tendencies) has been removed. It would however be nice to have a proper ideology with a functional source present to accurately describe the party. Such sources needs to mention the ideologies themselves, and being member of an organization does not guarantee a certain ideology. As for the source itself, it must be considered reliable. It doesn't really matter what language it is written in, though english would be prefeered because this is english wikipedia. If anyone were to find a source backing the position as well, that would be highly appreciated! Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 17:58, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

AL or BAL

According to the party and sources it is AL, therefore we should use that.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 13:06, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

AL is acceptable as long as it is sourced, but no way does the abbreviation need 12 sources, all put in the lead! About 2-4 could be put besides the abbreviation in the infobox and that would be enough! Having 12 sources for just the abbreviation alone is quite over-excessive, but perhaps some of the sources recently added might have other uses in the article instead? Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 14:28, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

First sentence

The first sentence has become unwieldy. Setting aside the question of references for a moment, I suggest the text be changed from:

The Bangladesh Awami League (Bengali: বাংলাদেশ আওয়ামী লীগ; translated from Urdu: Bangladesh People's League), often simply called the Awami League or AL, is one of the two major political parties of Bangladesh.

to:

The Bangladesh Awami League (Bengali: বাংলাদেশ আওয়ামী লীগ; commonly abbreviated as AL), is one of the two major political parties of Bangladesh.

The revised construction borrows from good article Progress Party (Norway), another political party whose common abbreviation (FrP) is not necessarily intuitive from their full English name. The change would better serve our readers and better align with policies and guidelines.

• Omitting the translation from Urdu: According to MOS:LEAD, the lead should summarize the body with appropriate weight. The Urdu translation doesn't appear in the body, so it shouldn't appear in the lead. Perhaps it should be added to the body, but even if it were, it wouldn't belong in the lead because it isn't one of the most important points about the party, any more than it's essential that the linguistic root of the name "Labour Party" is Latin or "Democratic Party" is Greek.
• Omitting the common shortening to Awami League: Much as with MOS:INITIALS for people or the legal status suffix for companies, it is not necessary to explain that Bangladesh Awami League is usually called Awami League. That is an obvious shortening and from the article title being "Awami League" it's plain that it is common.

Returning to the question of references, scholarly works are preferred. I earlier offered: Fukui, Haruhiro (1985) Political parties of Asia and the Pacific. Greenwood Press. p. 39, 41-42. If that it still considered unacceptable, then perhaps: Day, Alan John (2002) Political Parties of the World. John Harper (or the 2009 edition by Sagar, D. J.). I'm reluctant to use a source without consulting the full text, which I will not be able to do for a while, but a Google snippet of page 38 suggests that it might serve. If the official-ness of the abbreviation is the sticking point, then perhaps https://www.thedailystar.net/bangladesh-national-election-2018/re-elect-awami-league-keep-progress-pm-sheikh-hasina-1676386 would help, since it quotes the leader of the party for the past 38 years calling it "AL".

If consensus can be reached on the first sentence, then I believe it will be fairly easy to reach a consensus on the infobox. --Worldbruce (talk) 06:40, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

I think your proposed version of the first sentence is a good idea. Having urdu in the article is a bit weird though considering it is not an official language in Bangladesh. According to the article about the country, 98% speaks bengali or "bangla". Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 15:20, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Awami is a Urdu word, it has no meaning in Bangla, which is why it says translated from Urdu. The English meaning should be present because it is an English Language encyclopedia. Vinegarymass911 (talk) 15:35, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

@Vinegarymass911, @Worldbruce I Think Awami League, this political organizations name is Bangladesh Awami League according their official website. Ref: https://albd.org/, This should be changes. Is it? Prodipto Deloar (Talk • Contribute) 05:20, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

@Prodipto Deloar: Huh? I can't understand what you're asking or proposing. --Worldbruce (talk) 06:04, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

@Worldbruce I propose that This article name change with Bangladesh Awami League name. Prodipto Deloar (Talk • Contribute) 06:09, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

No, it should not be changed. "Awami League" is the WP:COMMONNAME of the party, so that's what the name of the article should be. "Bangladesh Awami League" is the official name of the party, which is why it appears in the first sentence. --Worldbruce (talk) 06:31, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

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Merger proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was merge. Vinegarymass911 (talk) 17:07, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

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There are so many organization for a political party, specially when the party is ruling. I think this is not independent organization. Nahid Hossain (talk) 08:50, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

It is new concept, one and only political party Think tank in BD and quite common in Europe and American countries. that's why you people may knew not. You people are used to know only chhata dol and matha league, which are different cheap things. so stop with lame excuse! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0A:A541:3AD0:0:A5FA:92B6:FF1C:9F95 (talk) 20:37, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Support merging

Not notable as per Wikipedia's notability guidelines for companies and organizations. Hence, it should be merged. Thanks. - St.teresa (talk) 13:58, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Support should be merged. ~ Nahid ^Talk 10:51, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

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Social liberalism

Wiki N Islam I think the one source supporting social liberalism makes it WP:UNDUE weight for the infobox. I'd also argue it is outdated. We have reliable sources stating that the party is authoritarian, has acted against free speech, arrested critics, censored the media and cracked down on LGBT people. These actions are completely against the ideology of social liberalism. Helper201 (talk) 12:25, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

AL was still authoritarian & anti-LGBT when the source was published (in 2018). I've previously said that liberal, progressive & secular politics in Bangladesh (specifically, in a conservative Islamic country) cannot be defined in the general global perspective & most of the local independent & reliable sources cite AL as secular & liberal/social liberal. Also, homosexuality isn't a recurring topic in Bangladesh and most political parties ignore as most of the population are conservative and against the legalization of homosexuality. Also, AL was the first govt. to recognize and protectionize third gender & transgenders (Hijras) Wiki N Islam (talk) 13:03, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Social liberalism and liberalism in general have a globally defined meaning, of which this party clearly doesn't meet. Wikipedia is a global and international platform and we define parties via global standards of what constitutes various ideologies like liberalism, not what is considered liberalism in a specific country. Even if one ignores the LGBT aspect (which is illiberal to crackdown on LGBT regardless of location), being authoritarian, acting against free speech, arresting critics and censoring media is universally illiberal. Helper201 (talk) 13:12, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Ok, but AL is still social liberal fiscally. And I hope you will find a reliable source to add secularism cause AL is the national platform for secularism in Bangladesh and Bangladeshis will suspect the relevance of Wikipedia for the absence of secularism in the article. Many local & regional (i.e. Indian) sources cited AL as secular. Wiki N Islam (talk) 13:35, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Social liberalism is primarily a social ideology, hence the name, so adding it is problematic since the party is not liberal in regards to its social ideology, so that could lead to a lot of confusion for the average reader. In regards to secularism I think this has been questioned in multiple regards. Such as the party not speaking out when secularists and atheists have been killed, as cited on this page. I've also got a source here there explicitly states "the supposedly secular Awami League", putting this ideology into question. And this one that states "the Awami League appears to be falling short in defending Bangladesh’s secularism". And another author states "Both the Awami League and the Bangladesh Nationalist Party have Islamist allies and wear their religious identity with pride." We still have the "Ideology" section of this article which outlines that the party self-defines as secular, which I think is a good compromise. To what degree the party is still secular as of 2023 is definitely questionable. Helper201 (talk) 14:05, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Dear,

you have extreme misconceptions. Awami leauge is still standing for secularism and is giving rights to transgender and other minorities. It still strongly stands for secularism. As for attacks on athiest bloggers, that is questionable as Awami league took firm action against the killers and even gave them death sentence. Once again, I repeat there is evidence that awami league isnt right wing and still stands for secularism. Also, authotorianism and liberism is not really same thing and there are many secular leaders like Suharto that was authotorian.By the way sheikh hasina won the elections democratically so she is not actually authotorian but acts authotorian towards illiterate journalists. 2607:FEA8:A75B:7100:5A4:16B3:2839:64DB (talk) 15:43, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

You are right. I support adding Secularism & Social liberalism in the ideology. We can't hide it for a long time. Wiki N Islam (talk) 08:44, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

I've provided multiple sources above that contradict this. Helper201 (talk) 18:46, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Ideology

@Helper201 I think the best will be to add in the ideology section of the Infobox is Social liberalism, secularism, environmentalism and pro-Indianism. We have some reliable sources to justify these. Most of the South Asian parties have dual nature: ideological & pragmatic. Most often, these policies contradict each other (Exception: Indian National Congress). Though AL is pragmatically authoritarian & sightly moderate Islamist, it's more liberal & secular than it's archrival BNP in ideological course. It's not Bengali nationalist anymore, coz it doesn't anymore promote Bengali reunification. Moreover, it works for the rights of Jumma people, notably Chittagong Hill Tracts Peace Accord & addition of the article concerning the tribal rights in the Constitution. Wiki N Islam (talk) 05:25, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Wiki N Islam, disagree, I think we should keep things as they are. I've outlined the multiple issues with the claims of social liberalism and secularism in the above discussion. We don't rate parties on how they differ from their rivals but how they are defined on an international fact-based analysis. The nuanced nature of the main text which describes and makes clear how the party self-defines is a good compromise here. Helper201 (talk) 11:42, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

we can't keep it hide for a long time. We have to come to a consensus about the ideology. AL isn't Bengali nationalist for sure. So it's either be considered as secular or liberal. Most of the local third-party source describes AL secular. More reliable sources can be found also. Wiki N Islam (talk) 09:22, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Awami leaague is not a right wing party at all

Hi dear, there are some users that are making up false assumptions that Awami league is right wing when it stands for opposite. Awami league does not stand for muslim league and even was behind the liberation of bangladesh. Awami league bought back secularism in bangladesh and intended to destroy religious fanatics. Once again, i have provided valuable information as well as enough evidence to support claim that Awami league isnt right wing and defiantly stands for left wing.

2607:FEA8:A75B:7100:5A4:16B3:2839:64DB (talk) 16:12, 17 March 2024 (UTC)