Talk:Avengers: Endgame/GA1

Latest comment: 3 years ago by Chris troutman in topic GA Review

GA Review

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Reviewer: Chris troutman (talk · contribs) 22:49, 5 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

Criteria

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Good Article Status - Review Criteria

A good article is—

  1. Well-written:
  2. (a) the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct; and
    (b) it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.[1]
  3. Verifiable with no original research:
  4. (a) it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline;
    (b) reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose);[2]
    (c) it contains no original research; and
    (d) it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.
  5. Broad in its coverage:
  6. (a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic;[3] and
    (b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
  7. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
  8. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
  9. [4]
  10. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
  11. [5]
    (a) media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content; and
    (b) media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.[6]

Review

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  1. Well-written:
  2. Criteria Notes Result
    (a) (prose) I don't see any issues with the prose.   Pass
    (b) (MoS) The plot is just short of 700 words so that passes.   Pass
  3. Verifiable with no original research:
  4. Criteria Notes Result
    (a) (references) The sentence "Downey was one of the few actors to read the entire screenplay for the film" seems dishonest. The source cited says he was the only "Avengers star" to "receive" the entire screenplay, probably because his character is in almost every scene from beginning to end.   Pass
    (b) (citations to reliable sources) Citation 2 (BFI) actually doesn't say this was an American movie but cite 1 (bbfc) does, so I'd cut BFI or use for something else. Collider (cite 9) doesn't actually confirm Chris Evans in this film but NYT (cite 6) does, so fix it. Neither Daily Beast (cite 25) nor Screen Rant (cite 26) say anything about this film, so I'd remove them. Honestly, some of this fails WP:REFBOMB. You've no source for Benedict Wong, so I recommend adding this from ScreenRant. Hollywood Reporter says nothing about Tom Holland. Dave Bautista's tweet is not allowable for his role as Drax, per WP:SPS. Radio Times says nothing about Ebony Maw; it should be the following Screenrant cite. Screenrant (cite 65) says nothing about F.R.I.D.A.Y.; that should be the Tipperary piece. Comicbook.com says nothing about seven minutes of footage or what's in it but IGN does, so I'd move that Comicbook cite to the end of the paragraph. The claim of "substantial cultural impact" isn't covered by SyFy Wire so please remove. I don't see evidence in Deadline that this was fastest to make $1B. Regarding widest release ever, I see no evidence about Despicable Me. I also see no evidence for fastest to pass $600M. Cites don't support the $29.3 and Avatar claim. Please remove IMDb as a citation!   Pass
    (c) (original research) Some of the assertions about sales (noted above) seem like OR, but generally this passes.   Pass
    (d) (copyvio and plagiarism) COPYVIO detector says it's fine   Pass
  5. Broad in its coverage:
  6. Criteria Notes Result
    (a) (major aspects)   Pass
    (b) (focused)   Pass
  7. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
  8. Notes Result
    I see no POV issue here.   Pass
  9. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
  10. Notes Result
    No edit war or content dispute in evidence   Pass
  11. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
  12. Criteria Notes Result
    (a) (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales) every image passes for permissions, thanks largely to Gage Skidmore   Pass
    (b) (appropriate use with suitable captions) meh   Pass

Result

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Result Notes
  Pass I need to see fixes made.

Discussion

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BOM is by far the standard for box office grosses, and the vast majority of the Film project agrees with this, given it is listed as such at MOS:FILM#Box office as being a source to use for such information. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 03:19, 22 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Favre1fan93: Fans of a particular subject would say that. I don't see that same consensus at RSN. Chris Troutman (talk) 03:26, 22 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Chris troutman: I'm not speaking as "a fan". I'm speaking as an editor who actively works on film articles and participates in the Film project and related discussions. I have no active knowledge of discussions you're claiming at RSN that states BOM is unreliable. As well, I've done a quick search of RSN to see, and I see no recent discussions to support that. Yes, there has been some instances of BOM double counting which WP:BOXOFFICE is working on, but this film is not one of them. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 03:32, 22 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
I'm asking for a second opinion; we'll see what another reviewer says. Chris Troutman (talk) 03:53, 22 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
Sure, but look at any modern film article that is a GA - all use Box Office Mojo. I will also notify the film project to your request. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:06, 22 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
WP:FILM notice here. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:09, 22 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

Box Office Mojo is absolutely the most reliable source for box office results. It is used on every film article. Rusted AutoParts 15:45, 22 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

Chris troutman, Box Office Mojo is a reliable source, particularly per WP:USEBYOTHERS. For example, The New York Times has referenced BOM repeatedly in the past year as seen here. Can you point to the WP:RSN discussions that contest Box Office Mojo? Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 16:22, 22 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

Full disclosure: I'm inexperienced in editing film articles. With that out of the way, I find it particularly compelling that MOS:Film#Box Office specifically mentions Box Office Mojo, as User:Favre1fan93 pointed out. And as far as I can tell from a brief look at its revision history, MOS:FILM has mentioned Box Office Mojo as a permissible source to use since the page's creation 14 years ago. Perhaps people have brought up legitimate concerns about Box Office Mojo at WP:RSN, but unresolved discussions shouldn't supersede longstanding consensus reflected in Wikipedia guidelines when deciding whether or not to pass an article for GA review. Hadger (talk) (contribs) 23:05, 22 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

Notes

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  1. ^ Compliance with other aspects of the Manual of Style, or the Manual of Style mainpage or subpages of the guides listed, is not required for good articles.
  2. ^ Either parenthetical references or footnotes can be used for in-line citations, but not both in the same article.
  3. ^ This requirement is significantly weaker than the "comprehensiveness" required of featured articles; it allows shorter articles, articles that do not cover every major fact or detail, and overviews of large topics.
  4. ^ Vandalism reversions, proposals to split or merge content, good faith improvements to the page (such as copy editing), and changes based on reviewers' suggestions do not apply. Nominations for articles that are unstable because of unconstructive editing should be placed on hold.
  5. ^ Other media, such as video and sound clips, are also covered by this criterion.
  6. ^ The presence of images is not, in itself, a requirement. However, if images (or other media) with acceptable copyright status are appropriate and readily available, then some such images should be provided.