Talk:Autoroutes of France

Numbering

• A1: first?
• A2: CW from A1
• A3: CW from A2
• A4: CW from A3
• A5: CW from A4
• A6: CW from A5, N6
• A7: N7
• A8: spur of A7 along N7
• A9: N9
• A10: N10
• A11: CW from A10
• A12: CW from A11, N12
• A13: CW from A12, N13
• A14: CW from A13
• A15: CW from A14, N15
• A16: CW from A15, N16
• A19: near Paris?
• A20: N20
• A21, A22, A23, A25, A26, A27, A28, A29: north of Paris
• A30, A31, A32, A33, A34, A35, A36, A37, A38, A39: east of Paris
• A40, A41, A42, A43, A45, A46, A47, A48, A49: southeast of Paris
• A50, A51, A52, A53, A54, A55, A56, A57: far southeast of Paris*A61, A62, A63, A64, A66, A68: far southwest of Paris
• A67: ?
• A70, A71, A72, A75, A77: south of Paris
• A81, A82, A83, A84, A85, A86 (sort of), A87: southwest of Paris
• A88: N88
• A89: N89
• A102: A1?
• A103: A3
• A104: A1-A4
• A105: near Paris?
• A105: A5, N105
• A106: A6
• A115: A15
• A126: near Paris?
• A131: A13
• A132: A13
• A139: A13
• A140: near Paris?
• A150: former A15
• A151: A15/A150
• A154: N154
• A159: A15/A150
• A160: near Paris?
• A186: A86?
• A199: near Paris?
• A203: 2 region
• A211: A21
• A216: 2 region
• A260: 2 region
• A283: ?
• A311: A31
• A313: A31
• A314: A31
• A315: A31
• A320: forner A32
• A330: A33
• A340: N340
• A350: A35
• A351: A35
• A352: A35
• A391: A39

spaces

on all routes i've seen in france, the route references are (nearly) always written with a space between the letter and the number - why do you omit these spaces in the definition? Only because google does? -- 79.219.54.11 (talk) 16:23, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I just saw that there are a lot of pictures showing this fact - so moving all this articles would really make sense ... -- 79.219.54.11 (talk) 18:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Rubbish. The apparent layout has no connection with the names - see any official or reliable guide or map (such as Michelin) where motorways and roads are consistently given as RN1, A61, D909 etc. Emeraude (talk) 11:21, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

very polite my dear ... my Michelin Atlas Routier France 2008 definitly has spaces everywhere, the Michelin France Recto-Verso 2008 with Nouvelle numération des routes has also spaces everywhere ...; it is also not a question of the age of the map - another Michelin map (Michelin Carte a 1/200 000, Nr. 57, avec relief, from 12-1982) has everywhere spaces on it; and these maps are not ones I made myself, I bought them in regular shops; i don't know, what are the official maps in france, in germany the official maps are called Topographische Karte (see de:Topografische Karte) and they have always a space between the letters and the numbers. And as I saw it just a few days ago, all signs along the road I drove in france (completly from east to west, another way back from west to east) do also carry the spaces; the space is for better reading by the way. -- 79.219.57.142 (talk) 10:30, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

In fact, DDE signs do not have whitespaces between A, N, D, C, or V and the number. Most frequently there are equal spaces between the digits and the letter. The same is observed in official documents (no spaces, that is). However, other abbreviations, namely RN and RD do have a space but those are not commonly used for traffic signs. (Have to live in the country and see those signs every day to really understand the inconsistencies of the DDE signage...) -- Bbrownp (talk) 13:57, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

what means DDE signs?

I know it only exactly in germany: all official maps have spaces (see above); most road signs don't have the letter at all but only the number; types of roads (Bundesstraße and Autobahn) are devided by color (yellow and blue); smaller roads are (normally?) not refernced by the letter-number-code; but all roads have signs called Stationszeichen (see de:Stationszeichen), which clearly show the space. Of course there are a lots of people in administrations, which make local signs and don't know anything about the spaces - so you can find wrong signs on the roads. -- 79.219.57.142 (talk) 10:30, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

(Forgotten to mention here: about french signs on roads - please see what I wrote above - all the signs I saw driving about a thousand kilometers have spaces) -- 79.219.58.207 (talk) 06:54, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Take a look at the official French government roads and traffic website Bison Fute http://www.bison-fute.equipement.gouv.fr/diri/Accueil.do published by the Ministère d'Ecologie, de l'Energie, du Développement Durable et de l'Aménagement du Territoire. Not a single space anywhere between A, N, D and the road numbers. I am sure they know what the correct usage is and as an encyclopaedia Wikipedia should follow the official nomenclature, not what is used on maps (presumbly for clarity reasons). Emeraude (talk) 21:38, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

well ok, I'm not able to speak or write french (just very few words) - but first you told me that I'm talking rubbish and wrote: see any official or reliable guide or map (such as Michelin) - and now, as you see (but didn't admit it) that you were wrong, you searched for another example. What about a link to a road name defining document and not to a website about the traffic situation. It would at least help me to understand that you might be right - it's to difficult for me to find such a document on an french site, sorry. But there should be such documents, if you are right. And the signs, made by the authorities, are at least seen by a lot more people than the website - why do they still use spaces?. -- 79.219.41.43 (talk) 11:08, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

www.legifrance.gouv.fr seems to be a good site to search, examples [1], [2] and [3]; maybe one can find there a list of routes - but at least in laws there seems to be a space ... maybe this is a bit more important than the website you mentioned. -- 79.219.41.43 (talk) 11:44, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Ah, ah, ah! You provide only single instances. But there is at least one nomenclature (in the annexe): www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do?cidTexte=JORFTEXT000020692049 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.80.142.48 (talk) 00:14, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

It appear there was variation and improvement since Michelin promoted the RouteNationale N°80 (figure 7 in olegk.free.fr/flux/Flux55/pdffl55/03Beyer17-29.pdf ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.80.142.48 (talk) 00:25, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Nonethless if we look at recent catalogue, if spaces are oftenpresent, their use does not necesary sea consistent ( www.msr83.var.developpement-durable.gouv.fr/IMG/pdf/catalogue_des_signaux_routiers.pdf ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.80.142.48 (talk) 00:36, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

& last but not least, there is the M10 and SU3 panonceaux as defined in

www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do;jsessionid=314F3DA0EBFF56F9021E6C287917CA9C.tpdjo07v_2?cidTexte=LEGITEXT000006075080&dateTexte=20131123 and pictured in www.legifrance.gouv.fr/jopdf/common/jo_pdf.jsp?numJO=0&dateJO=20111222&numTexte=9&pageDebut=21725&pageFin=21757 where on can see one space even if not formalized. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.80.142.48 (talk) 01:00, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Emeraude

Go and shove your stinking head up your own arse you self centered arrogant I am right all the time Idiot. Stop talking out your arse and do something constructive with your worthless life. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.69.20.194 (talk) 12:33, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Motorway / Highway

The article uses the terms motorway and highway rather indiscriminately. I think we should stick to either one or the other. My preference is for using motorway as the equivalent of autoroute and for using highway in largely legal contexts, e.g. the public highway (la voie publique). This has been the usual practice within PIARC for the last 50 years, see the PIARC Technical Dictionary of Road Terms. Everybody got to be somewhere! (talk) 00:44, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm happy with that idea. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 17:04, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

List incomplete

Hello, this list is missing the A570 which as far as I know goes between Toulon and Hyères in the Var department. It is mentioned in the French version if the Hyères page (sorry don't know how to link to other languages). I have visited Hyères (March 2011) and although I can't confirm that the motorway's called the A570, there is definitely one which terminates at that town from Toulon. I suppose this means that there could be other roads that this article has missed? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:44, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Names of Motorways

Hello! Wondered, whether A8 should stand on the list of named motorways, as it is called "la Provencale".Algerdenstore (talk) 16:31, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

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Interactive map

I have just removed this map from the article, as it is grossly-incomplete and adds nothing. If anyone wants to work on it and get it in better shape, here it is for posterity. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:27, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Numbering Scheme is False

The paragraph about how the numbering of highways is based on geography is false. For example, D40 is found all over the country- north south east and west. Multiple highways are found scattered accross the country making any categorization based on geography incorrect. The article states the 40's are found near the alps, this is simply not true (ref: lookup D40 as an example). Someone please delete that pargraph or make it more accurate, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:602:980:DDE0:8163:23BD:DFE9:2FC0 (talk) 10:11, 8 January 2023 (UTC)