Talk:Australian permanent resident

unsigned earlier comment

Removed the links to individuals with permanent residency dramas. They should go elsewhere... this page is more about the law rather than the implications and/or breakdowns.

Voting

The page seems to suggest some state still allow new permanent residents from commonwealth countries to vote. But from a quick look through of all the state electoral commisions, this isn't the case. Most follow the pre 1984 rule allowing those registered/enrolled before 1984 to vote. Queensland seems to have continued this to 1991 allow people registered/enrolled before 1991 to vote. None of them seem to allow residents who weren't registered/enrolled before those dates to vote. Nil Einne (talk) 09:40, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed the same thing. I just changed the wording on the main page to reflect that fact. 1.124.255.249 (talk) 04:44, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Only two programs leading to permanent residency?

The article states. "At present, there are two programs to grant permanent residency..." What about Family Migration? (I have just received permanent residency as the husband of an Australian citizen.) The link to the Australian government web site now leads to a "Forbidden page." Spathaky (talk) 10:26, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

corrected article again

This article will be reviewed by people considering moving to Australia. The reality is that the process of gaining Citizenships in Australia now takes a large amount of time. The waiting time rules are avaliable here . People have a right to be properly informed. They look at Wikipedia as an unbiased source of information. Permanent Residents have valuable skills sort after worldwide. Please leave the correct information in place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.7.92 (talk) 11:18, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

People also look at Wikipedia as a place where they can find verifiable and reliable sources to back up the information. Please provide some, where requested in the article. Unverifiable information may be removed. Mitch Ames (talk) 14:09, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Australian Government Departments are not in the habit of advertising there discrimination against Permanent Residents. There is no page on the Department of Immigration web site that states that Permanent Residents are unable to apply for Australian Government jobs. The easiest way for an independent person to verify that this fact is to buy a copy of the Canberra Times. Here is a sample of the Job Vacancy descriptions http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all&q=+must+be+an+Australian+Citizen+site%3Acanberratimes.com.au%2F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=. If you can show that Australian Government jobs are open to Permanent Residents please do so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.165 (talk) 12:00, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

I’ve reverted your edits again, for the following reasons:

• A list of jobs that require Australian citizenship only demonstrates that some jobs are not open to non-citizens. It does not mean that all jobs require citizenship. In fact your search finds (at the time that I'm writing this) only 373 hits. However a quick check of http://jobs.canberratimes.com.au/ shows over 1000 jobs. In the absence of any indication to the contrary, one might reasonably deduce that more than two thirds of the jobs do not require citizenship.

• Section 22 of the Public Service Act 1999, which you conveniently referred to, actually says (with my emphasis added):

“ (6) The engagement of an APS employee [...] may be made subject to conditions [...], including conditions dealing with any of the following matters:

...

(b) citizenship;

(7) Subsection (6) does not, by implication, limit the conditions that may be applied to the engagement of an APS employee.

”

Thus section 22 is your requested evidence that Australian Government jobs are not necessarily limited to citizens. I've updated the article to reflect the wording of the Act. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:02, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

To deduce that more than two thirds of Australian Government positions do not require citizenship on this basis would be foolish. There are adverts for Australian Government positions and also private sector positions advertised in this paper.

Australian Government positions require citizenship. To say that "some" Australian Government positions is really quite misleading. Why not compromise on "Many"?

Both your search and my search used the same criteria - neither specified Government positions. I doubt we can really drawn any conclusions from them about the percentage of government jobs that require citizenship - especially considering that Canberra is not the only place that employs Australian public servants. One might speculate that many of the jobs that require citizenship are based in Canberra (eg ASIO), thus jobs advertised in Canberra are not representative of the rest of the country. We know (from section 22 of the Public Service Act) that public service positions may be subject to citizenship, but we do not know what percentage, ie whether it is "some" or "most" or "many". Finding any number of jobs that require citizenship does not indicate a percentage unless you compare the number found that do require citizenship with the total number of jobs available, with both figures being obtained by statistically valid means - and with that comparision being done by a reliable source, so that it is not original research. In the meantime, I suggest leaving the article stating "Public service positions may be subject to conditions of citizenship", to match the Act, without attempting quantify it. Mitch Ames (talk) 14:10, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Being a permanent resident in Australia, the way I understand it is that permanent jobs in the Australian Public Service (Commonwealth level), regardless of location in Australia, do require citizenship in order to be eligible for employment. However, this does not mean that the APS can never employ a non-citizen. For example, there is an exception built into the Commonwealth Department of Public Prosecutions Act that allows the Director to hire a non-citizen in exceptional circumstances. Furthermore, the citizenship requirement does not cover temporary or contract employment. Any person can be employed in a non-permanent capacity as long as they have the right to work in Australia and I have been told that this is how many government IT departments operate. The Australian Defence Force says that to be eligible for enlistment you have to be a citizen but will allow a permanent resident to enlist if they promise to apply for citizenship as soon as they are eligible (3 months for regulars, 6 months for reservists); non-permanent residents it seems cannot enlist. Also, anecdotally, I've been told that if you are a permanent resident close to the citizenship application date or have applied but not yet received citizenship, then, sometimes, government departments will turn a blind eye and employ you permanently if they want you. State and territory public service jobs generally require permanent residency for permanent employment but only a right to work for temporary employment. 1.124.255.249 (talk) 04:59, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

References

Flag

The flag on this document is not the Australian flag. And the document is about Australia? A flag isn't relevant. But having the wrong one for a completely different country is a significant error. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.195.132.103 (talk) 03:02, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Agree does not appear to be relevant to the subject, removed. MilborneOne (talk) 13:09, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

other

Cost of the permanent residency visa seems worthy of mention. From what I've noticed with other visa costs it is considerable therefore worthy of mention. As an extra comparisons to the US UK and Canada could have merit. It provides those seeking a permanent resident visa choice so they can make comparisons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.111.13.200 (talk) 01:18, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Rephrase that all alsyum seekers and refugees will be granted Permeant residency.

This seems to imply that any person seeking asylum in Australia will automatically and unconditionally be granted permeant residency in Australia. Which is completely untrue in the sense; this is how it works. It is true someone who is successful in claiming asylum is granted permeant residency (I assume) but usually after a very prolonged process careful scrutiny to verify their status is justified and may even involve time spent in detention. Just thought this might be wise as we don't want to give the wrong idea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.107.235.27 (talk) 08:54, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

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