Talk:Australian Pony

Pony breeds

There are two breeds of OZ ponies: Australian Pony up to 14hh and a pony type and the newer Aust. Riding Pony up to 14.2hh and an elegant hack type pony. Cgoodwin (talk) 03:31, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Is there a way to edit that into the article? I did the last upgrade on it, using sources I could find on the web, but most were USA based. One related question is if these are all animals with recognized breed registries (sort of like the German riding pony) or types within a single registry, or, like the Riding Pony of the UK, not a breed at all, but a catchall term for many breeds, sort of like "warmblood"? So doggone confusing to figure out breeds from types sometimes. Montanabw^(talk) 04:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

There is in fact another breed/type (or 2) that I shall investigate as I have time. Cgoodwin (talk) 00:09, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, this question of "breeds" versus "types" can be a real PITA (Pain in the ass), in the 'states we have a problem with lots of people taking some crossbred they cooked up by breeding fugly stud to brainless mare and calling it a new "breed," (especially if it has spots). And You Too can register yours if you send in your $20 to paypal.(I believe someone even started a "Bay Horse Registry")(**pounding head on desk**) But on the other hand, there are the clear, historic types, such as the warmbloods, which are a number of different breeds with very strict registration requirements, extraordinary documentation, high quality control standards and such. And then there are the eight "distinct" breeds of pony in Indonesia, except they all have similar ancestors.... Somebody just tell me these are all just crossbred Welch ponies or something! (Grin) Oh wait, EVERYTHING is a crossbred! Except maybe the Arabian, but then there were those people in the 80's who were sneaking Saddlebreds in behind the barn in the US, and the TB lines that snuck into the South American Arabs, and (dare I hint) there may have been some Walers that got snuck into the "straight" Egyptian lines during WWII ... Long story short, oh gawd do not get me started! (LOL) OK, done whining, if you find anything of interest, plug it in! Montanabw^(talk) 21:20, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

There are the OZ Riding Ponies, Arabian Pony and Arabian Riding Pony in addition to the Aus Ponies. Uncertain as to where to put them. I don't any photos and little info, too. Help, please. Cgoodwin (talk) 03:11, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Maybe they should get their own articles? (We only have over 350 breed articles in wiki, who's counting? LOL!) Maybe look at some of the other articles on breeds and see what you think; for example pony, Riding Pony, welsh pony (for a true "breed" article) and maybe some of the warmblood articles (such as Wurttemberger or Holsteiner) There is an ongoing, but not terribly contentious, discussion of when a horse is a "breed" or a "type" (for lack of a better way of putting it. And then there are the people who think that whatever crossbred they have produced for the last 10 years has to be a "breed," and you too can join by sending in three cereal box tops and $20. (most of which get speedily deleted as soon as I find them!) You may want to look at the horse breeds task force page, there are some ideas there. (see link in WPEQ box at top of this page).

What I personally do in splitting the difference of whether we add to an existing article or create a whole new one is to look for a breed registry or association of some sort; for the "Australian Pony," as described in the article, it appears to have a distinct history and breeding background (such as a warmblood breed like, say, the Hanoverian), whereas the British "Riding Pony" seems to be a type that encompasses many breeds (sort of like Warmbloods). Countercanter has been doing a lot of work on the warmbloods, they seem to fall into three categories: Old breeds with a closed stud book that can be considered "true-breeding" like the Trakhner, Somewhat newer breeds with an open stud book that nonetheless the rest of us would consider "breeds," because they are tracking pedigrees and assessing for a consistent type. (The German riding pony seems to fall into this group), and then some really new stuff like the American Warmblood, for which there is a sort-of breed criteria, but it is an open quesition of whether there really is any kind of distinct type developing yet.

Another way of breaking it down is to look at horse show classes. For example, in the UK there is the Mountain and moorland group, which clearly explains that this is a type encompassing several breeds. Horse show specs often spell out if there is a registration requirement for an animal to compete (i.e. breeding classes) or not (for example, "hunters"). Any way, hope this gives you some ideas. Feel free to bounce around your thoughts on this. Montanabw^(talk) 21:15, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

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