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History section - not consistent?

Latest comment: 10 years ago13 comments4 people in discussion

Pinging editors who have worked on this article recently, or whom I have engaged in discussions with on other page content: Zrespon, Jhortman, Shortride, and DMB112

Looking at the page, the History section looks off...mainly because GHSU's history (albeit not much) is currently on the page, while ASU's complete standalone article is linked to. For consistency's sake, I think either a GHSU article should be created, or the ASU history brought into this page. What do y'all think?

I'm going to go ahead and start expanding the GHSU history section, so there's more to work with...it's pretty sparse as-is right now. Thanks! GRUcrule (talk) 16:50, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

In general for precursor organizations. we find it clearer to keep the material on the precursors together, under the name of the eventual organization. We certainly always do it when there is a single precursor; we often do it for a merger; where things get complicated is when there are mergers and subsequent splits. Organizations are relatively straight-forward--most large companies have much more complicated histories than almost any university. We divide articles when necessary for clarity, or to keep an article from getting too long. People sometimes consider having a separate article necessarily indicates importance, but there are other considerations also. Foremost among them is clarity. As a secondary factor, the question can be whether the two organizations are similar, or whether the new one is the continuation in name only of a ceased organization. As another factor, the question can be whether the two organizations have a long separate history, and the merger is just a recent consolidation.

When we do split an article for any reason, the standard technique is WP:Summary style; the main article contains a short one paragraph summary, linking to a full separate article. Usually the summary is the lede section of the separate article, but it this case it would probably need to be changed to make clearer the consolidation of the precursor schools. The first thing to do is to expand the GHSU section, and then the decision can be made whether or not it is clearer in a separate article. DGG ( talk ) 17:45, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

That makes sense. I can certainly pull together a one-paragraph summary of the ASU section, though upon looking at the ASU page it doesn't have a massive amount of information either. The two organizations do have long, storied histories, and the merger IS recent - January 2013, as a matter of fact. GRUcrule (talk) 20:29, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

I agree with DGG in principle, but this is an unusual situation, since both Georgia Health Sciences University and Augusta State University had quite extensive (and separate) histories before they were merged in 2013. A complicating factor is that someone, by default, just renamed/moved the GHSU page to the current GRU location and did a "global find/replace" on the GHSU name. The old ASU page has still been preserved the way it looked from before the merger, however, which is how we arrived at the situation we have today. I agree it's inconsistent and needs to be addressed, but I think there's enough history there that a split article is called for, with the ASU page remaining as it is (if not expanded even more from a history standpoint) and a new "History of Georgia Health Sciences University" page being created for that topic, with a summary paragraph on this page. That's the option I'd prefer. -Jhortman (talk) 20:40, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

I think that might've been me who screwed that up, Jhortman...(sigh). I did that as one of my first forays into Wikipedia editing, in hindsight that seems to have been a stupid idea. Too late to remedy it, but I can start on some content for a history of GHSU page....since I'm tied to it, I can submit it to WP:AfC and go from there? GRUcrule (talk) 14:20, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

No worries, GRUcrule! We've all been there. I would say just go ahead and create the page. I know the AfC process is recommended for accounts that have inherent conflicts of interest, but you have a history of NPOV editing, and I think there's a relative consensus that the GHSU history page is needed. Also, this is a page that is regularly seen/monitored by editors. So I'd say you could skip the AfC submission and just create the page. -Jhortman (talk) 14:46, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Sounds good to me - I'll work on getting a framework up, and then ping a few editors to help out. GRUcrule (talk) 20:06, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Alright, I have something that at least gets things rolling in my sandbox. Here's a link to it: My sandbox. Only issue I see is, the term "Georgia Health Sciences University" re-directs to the GRU page, while "Augusta State University" goes to the ASU history page. Thoughts on how to remedy this? Pinging Jhortman, DGG, Jsfouce, and Wgnome0613 as they've either previously helped me out/given feedback or have edited the page recently. GRUcrule (talk) 17:47, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

I think the most consistent way is to redirect GHSU and ASU to GRU. The respective "history of" pages should also redirect to GRU where there are sections for the histories of both former schools. This at least keeps the redirects clean to the new and correct name, but preserves the history of both former schools. jsfouche ☽☾Talk 02:51, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm good with whatever, to be honest. I have a template for the History of GHSU in my sandbox, as the history of ASU is already in place as a standalone page. I do worry that inserting all of the text in a "history" section on the GRU page will make the article too long and cumbersome of a read, but that's just me thinking out loud. I can also see the ASU history page merged with the info I have in my sandbox right now to create a singular history of GRU page. GRUcrule (talk) 17:47, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Also....just one more option to put on the table...I'm working towards having pages for all nine college and schools at GRU, with the hope that one day a template can be created to access everything GRU-related (kind of like the Georgia Tech page has at the bottom). The Medical College of Georgia page will have a history section, and I could place the content from the GHSU page in my sandbox into THAT section, as the Medical College of Georgia was founded in 1828 and was the name of the entire university until the name was changed of the school to GHSU - then, MCG's name designated a school within the university.

Sorry to present so much info... GRUcrule (talk) 20:17, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm....now I prefer the idea of having a section in the GRU article for history that is brief with a link to a new article History of Georgia Regents University with the full information about both GHSU and ASU. This seems the least cumbersome and most useful. I am also in favor of the nav template for the bottom of the page, and can help you. jsfouche ☽☾Talk 23:49, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

I have a draft of the History of GHSU page in my sandbox (check 'em out here) available for anyone's view/helpful comments and criticisms, as well as two pages that would begin to expand on the colleges and schools of the University. Please feel free to let me know your thoughts! Pages have been created. See History of Georgia Regents University page for more. Also, two pages have been made for two of the colleges within the University: Medical College of Georgia and James M. Hull College of Business. GRUcrule (talk) 19:27, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

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