Talk:Athanasios Rhousopoulos

GA Review

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Reviewer: Cerebellum (talk · contribs) 10:27, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I'll be reviewing this article :) It could take up to a week. --Cerebellum (talk) 10:27, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi - thanks for taking it on. Happy to wait or to work in stages: whatever's easiest. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 10:47, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

No need to work in stages as there's not much work to be done! This is a lovely article.

• Prose: Excellent prose! I was going to talk about Athens' versus Athens's but you already caught that.
• References: Great formatting and citation density! I spot checked about 10 refs and came up with a couple minor comments, listed below.
• Coverage: Absolutely, you have dug deep into the sources including foreign language and 19th century sources.
• Neutral: Yes, a good example is the controversy with Schliemann where you present the dispute but note that from a modern perspective, Rhousopoulos was kind of right.
• Stable: Yes.
• Images: Looks great, you even have alt text for images. One pedantic tagging concern - non-US images are supposed to have two tags, one for the country of origin and one for the US. File:Athanasios Rousopoulos.JPG needs a US tag, and File:Archaeologiki Efimeris 1862 cover.jpg needs a country tag. File:Stefanos Koumanoudis.JPG is an example of what it should look like. This policy is located here.

• All done. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 16:09, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Comments

• The Archaeological Society of Athens, a learned society founded in 1837 with significant responsibility for archaeological work and heritage management in Greece throughout the 19th century, had stagnated and all but disbanded between April 1854 and 1858, under pressure from its own financial troubles and a cholera outbreak that had killed its president, Georgios Gennadios. Quite a long sentence, could we break it up into two sentences?

In the works. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 14:03, 10 November 2023 (UTC) Done. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 16:09, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

• Is there a particular reason why the currency equivalents are in 2021 pounds rather than 2023 pounds? And is it possible to provide currency equivalents for the drachma amounts? I see that you included Rhousopoulos' salary for comparison, which is helpful. I'm not sure if calculating the equivalents yourself would count as OR.

I don't think the inflation template goes beyond 2021. To be honest, I'm also not generally a fan of calculated equivalents, because the cost of living was so different: saying that 300 drachmas a month was "equivalent" to £10 (or whatever) misses the point that £10 went an awful lot further than it does today. My general policy, where it's possible, is to use only the equivalents (e.g. it's much more useful to read 'R. was fined three months' salary' than a fairly arbitrary conversion). UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 14:03, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

• I love the section about the tiff in the Hanover newspapers, which you appear to have dug up straight from the original newspaper articles! A beautiful bit of historical color. Is there a reason you prefer Hannover instead of Hanover?
  • Purely personal preference: as far as I know, both are used in English, but Hannover is the native spelling, so it makes sense to harmonise. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 14:03, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
• Why is this source commented out in "Early life and education"? <!--{{sfn|Galanakis|2008|p=297}}-->
  • I think it is (or was) cited for two consecutive sentences, so I commented it out in case I was going to put another source in between and so needed to be certain of where the first one came from. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 14:03, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
• For Whitley 2020, the link goes to The chapter "Homeric communities", I think it is supposed to go to "Homer in history".

In the works. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 14:03, 10 November 2023 (UTC) I think that one was a rogue citation bot: the S2CID also goes to the same (wrong) place. Can't find Whitley in OA anywhere, so removed. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 16:09, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

• For ref #31, again I like that you went into the 19th-century sources. The google books version has "valuable note" instead of "very helpful note" on page 621, is your version different? Of course it means the same thing.

In the works. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 14:03, 10 November 2023 (UTC) It may have, but as the meaning is so similar, it makes sense to harmonise with the edition to which we're linking. Changed. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 16:09, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

• described Rhousopoulos in 1846 as "antiquities-mad" (αρχαιομανής). I could not find this in Galanakis 2012a. I'm guessing it is in a different Galanakis 2012 article.

In the works. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 14:03, 10 November 2023 (UTC) Yup - 2012d. Fixed. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 16:09, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

@UndercoverClassicist: Review complete, just a few minor comments! Let me know what you think. Cerebellum (talk) 11:47, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks -- I've replied to the ones that I can do quickly; will get to the others later on. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 14:03, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

All replied to now, I think. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 16:09, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Awesome :) Great job on this article, pass as GA. Cerebellum (talk) 04:31, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet talk 16:18, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that Athanasios Rhousopoulos sold eight ancient Greek skulls to the Oxford professor George Rolleston? Source: Galanakis, Yannis; Nowak-Kemp, Malgosia (2013). "Ancient Greek Skulls in the Oxford University Museum, Part II: The Rhousopoulos–Rolleston Correspondence". Journal of the History of Collections. 25 (1): 1–17. doi:10.1093/jhc/fhq040. (pages 4-5)
  • ALT1: ... that Athanasios Rhousopoulos sued Ioannis Svoronos for exposing him as an archaeological looter? Source: Galanakis, Yannis (2011). "An Unpublished Stirrup Jar from Athens and the 1871–2 Private Excavations in the Outer Kerameikos". Annual of the British School at Athens. 106: 167–200. doi:10.1017/S0068245411000074. JSTOR 41721707. S2CID 162544324. (p191); Reinach, Salomon (1928). "Panagiotis Kavvadias". Révue Archéologique. 5 (in French). 28: 128–130. JSTOR 23910488 (p128, for the substance of the allegations)
  • ALT2: ... that Athanasios Rhousopoulos, one of Athens's major archaeological criminals, made a speech complaining about the high rate of archaeological crime? Source: Papazarkadas, Nikolaos (2014). "Epigraphy in Early Modern Greece". Journal of the History of Collections. 26 (3): 399–412. doi:10.1093/jhc/fhu018., p406 (for the crime); Kokkou, Angeliki (1977). Η μέριμνα για τις αρχαιότητες στην Ελλάδα και τα πρώτα μουσεία [The Care of Antiquities in Greece and the First Museums] (in Greek). Athens: Hermes Press. pp. 199–201. ISBN 978-960-6878-11-4. (p277, for the speech)
  • ALT3: ... that Athanasios Rhousopoulos excavated three hundred ancient Greek tombs during the construction of his own house? Source: Galanakis, Yannis; Nowak-Kemp, Malgosia (2013). "Ancient Greek Skulls in the Oxford University Museum, Part II: The Rhousopoulos–Rolleston Correspondence". Journal of the History of Collections. 25 (1): 1–17. doi:10.1093/jhc/fhq040 (p. 4)
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Serious Sam: The First Encounter

Improved to Good Article status by UndercoverClassicist (talk). Self-nominated at 09:52, 11 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Athanasios Rhousopoulos; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Looks good, my preference is ALT1 but the others work as well. Sohom (talk) 22:50, 11 November 2023 (UTC)