Talk:At Fillmore East/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Ritchie333 (talk · contribs) 18:08, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with this album, but I really should to be honest. I think hearing the too-long (imho) Whipping Post here put me off.

Lead

• I know what the Fillmore East is, but other readers won't - mention that it's a music venue
• "three March nights in 1971" - suggest "three nights in March 1971"
• There is a {{cn}} in the second paragraph. Rather than directly replacing this with a cite, replace the prose with specific accolades. The "Release and critical reception" section suggests initial response was mixed, anyway.

Background

• "Allman Brothers Band leader Duane Allman" - "band leader Duane Allman" will do here
• "and by several accounts he considered it" - whose accounts. This is actually news to me, I had always believe Duane was strictly a guest on Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs. Maybe just say "according to band biographer Alan Paul" instead
• "In the interim, Idlewild South had yet to pick up steam" - "pick up steam" is a vague colloquialism - try "had yet to achieve strong commercial success"
• "The close proximity of the Winnebago brought about heavy drug use within the group" - I think a claim as strong as this (could I infer from this that you are accusing Gregg Allman of taking heroin regularly?) needs multiple sources, or toned down a bit - just "drug use" would be better. Also, how does living together closely mean you take more drugs? I don't get this bit.
• "and all in the group, with the exception of the brothers, were struggling to make a living" - why was that? Presumably Gregg was getting the songwriting royalties, and Duane the session musician fees?
• "In one instance, touring member Twiggs Lyndon..." - "touring member" implies they played an unofficial but regular role on stage, like Chuck Leavell in the Rolling Stones. What specifically was his role? Road crew?
• The two cites for Lyndon murdering a promoter are from the same book, so can use the same cite, using pp=103,139
• "Promoter Bill Graham, who enjoyed the band, promised to pair them with more appropriate acts on their next visit" - what was inappropriate about Blood, Sweat & Tears exactly?"
• "considered their performances at the Fillmore East the launching pad" - missing a verb, should be "considered their performances at the Fillmore East to be the launching pad".

Recording and production

• "the band was paid a nightly $1,250" - suggest "the band was paid $1,250 each show"
• Worth mentioning that Tom Dowd had worked with the group before, and also the recording was live, as the prose gives the impression a little that this was mixing
• "Things went smoothly until the band unexpectedly brought out saxophonist Rudolph "Juicy" Carter, another horn player ... " who was the other horn player?
• "open E Tuning" - needs a wikilink, probably to open tuning
• "The ethereal-to-furious "In Memory of Elizabeth Reed"" - does the source really describe this track as "ethereal-to-furious"?
• "invited comparisons with John Coltrane (especially Duane's solo-ending pull-offs, a direct nod to the jazz saxophonist)." - better to describe Coltrane as a jazz saxophonist up front?
• "Aside from the opening bassline and lyrics, the two versions are completely unalike" - I don't think that's a fair comparison - the only really substantial differences are the solos (with a breakdown in the second) and the break at the end. Otherwise it's structurally more or less the same.

Artwork

• "Jim Marshall, Proof, (Chronicle Books LLC)" - citation needs a page number
• "The Fillmore Concerts" - needs clarification that this is a later, retrospective release (?)
• "This cracked up all the members" - colloquialism, suggest "This made the whole band laugh" instead
• "A photo of Twiggs Lyndon" - per WP:LASTNAME, just "Lyndon" will suffice here
• "The album was later certified platinum on August 25, 1992" - bare URLs for citations are discouraged, this should be converted to use the "cite web" with more context

Editions

• This is entire section is unsourced

Track listing

• This section is unsourced. Normally not too much of an issue (you can just verify the track times by looking at the LP label). However, regarding the UK Vinyl LP order (as the explanatory text correctly states) isn't actually different to the US, and "Side two" is actually "Side four" pressed on the same disc as "Side one" to make playing the double album on an autochanging deck easier.

Additional Fillmore East recordings

• This section is unsourced

Credits

• "vocals" should be in lower case

External links

• The official website link should go to a specific page about this album, if one exists.

Stability

• There seems to have been a slow moving edit war between Dan56 and an IP over the last month. What was all that about?

Summary

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, no copyvios, spelling and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Overall, I think my biggest concern is the unreferenced content, which is a deal-breaker for passing GA. Nevertheless, I'll put the review on hold for the moment so these issues can be resolved. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:41, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Comments

Thanks for the review! I've implemented nearly all suggestions. Some notes:

• I based this line on a quote from the biography. Odom has a quote about the Winnebago, and afterwards, Red Dog is quoted: “I really think that kind of life [i.e., traveling in close proximity] led to a lot of the drug problems.” Either way, I’ve rephrased it.
• Spot on on the royalty payments and session work attributing to their higher pay! I glossed over that while writing the article, but it’s included now.
• The “appropriate” line is from the book. The indication was that Blood, Sweat & Tears were very different in terms of sound, and that Graham would pair them with more comparable acts, like the Grateful Dead. I’ve reworded it.
• The “other horn player” is not mentioned or unknown in my sources. I’ve marked it as such.
• “Ethereal-to-furious” was a holdover from a previous draft of the article. I’ve removed it, as it could be considered biased.
• "Aside from the opening bassline and lyrics, the two versions are completely unalike”. This is based on a line from Scott Freeman’s Midnight Riders, in which he states that “Other than the baseline and lyrics, the live version of Whipping Post bears little resemblance to the original.” I’ve left it as is, but if you want to delete it, feel free to do so.
• I left “editions” more or less the same from an earlier draft, but as it really isn’t crucial to the article (and difficult to source) I’ve removed it.
• The official website’s page for the album, http://www.allmanbrothersband.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Discography&file=index&detail=1&rid=13, has some sort of problem when you put it in the external links section. I’ve left it as is for now.

Thanks again! Thardin12 (talk) 19:32, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

The one problem I can now see is in "Track listing" and "Additional Fillmore East recordings", which talk about Fillmore recordings in June, but there's nothing in the prose that mentions those concerts, or how they relate to this album and the March shows. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:43, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

• Actually, scratch that, I've sourced and written the missing bit. I think that's a pass then. Great! Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:56, 28 May 2014 (UTC)