Talk:Astra Woodcraft

Some more sources

• Cooper, Tracie (September 15, 2008). "I had a baby to escape Scientologists". Woman magazine (UK): 20–21.
• "Why I fled Scientology". Glamour. 2005. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help) (I believe I have a paper copy of this).
• Edwards, David (October 7, 2005). "Tom and Katy: bringing up baby". The Mirror.
• Astra also appeared in a broadcast of "Richard & Judy" on Channel 4 (UK), October 11, 2005, alongside Janet Laveau. I think there is video of this on YouTube.

This article is awful.

This article is awful. It reads like a essay. Tomorrow when I have time I am going to redo the whole article to make it read more encyclopedic and sound less dramatic. Things like- "When she was 14, young Astra too joined the Sea Org.",and "Astra wanted to leave Scientology,she figured that the only way to get out is to get pregnant" don't sound very encyclopedic. I am sure the sources are there (I haven't checked) but I did see a essay that Astra wrote which could be used as a source. I don't like the way the article sounds like it was written in a first person narrative.--BeckiGreen (talk) 03:11, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

de-rpod to prepare for merge

I took a look. The reason for being notable is being a "suppressive person". Hence I'd see this as a case for reducing to a few sentences and placing in that article. Can't do if deleted so have deprodded. What do others think? Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:41, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't think that's fair. "Suppressive person" is a) not a neutral designation b) not in and of itself a measure of notability. Would we redirect a ex-Christian to apostate? I'm not clear where you are going with this?--Scott Mac 01:16, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Astra Woodcraft's being declared a suppressive person has attracted exactly zero attention from reliable sources, as far as I can tell. [1][2][3] There is not any significant notability otherwise either. --JN466 04:02, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

I thought it was pretty obvious Scott. She has received some coverage as linked in the article, essentially for her experiences in, and her leaving of, the church of scientology. Hence a parent article where this is discussed might be most appropriate. I have only looked briefly into it, but "suppressive person" was the first link which came to mind upon reading and looking around it. I suspect that those people described as such by the CoS would not care about the designation - hence (a) might not apply. Not sure. It might be that if that article were expanded then some examples or stories might be included. The group might be something as well. Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:51, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

I actually missed the coverage linked in the article. None of these articles showed up in google news [4]. --JN466 12:29, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

To be fair, I think there is enough in the sources, which span about the last decade, to write a biography. I agree with the comment above that what we have is not very encyclopedic, but the raw material for an article is there. Her story was covered, and the kids' website has some mentions too. If you agree that notability is given, would one of you like to rewrite it? If not, I'll do some work on it when I've got a little time. --JN466 14:31, 25 December 2010 (UTC)