Talk:Asteroid Ceres in fiction

Pictures of fictional Ceres?

I was just thinking.. If Ceres plays a prominent role in, say: a book-cover, film, video-game or &c, why not display an image of its fictional role? I would be uploading an image of Ceres as seen in The American Astronaut, but I neither have the right screenshot stuff nor the good enough copy of the film that would make it a good source for the screenshot. DrWho42 23:30, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Asimov ? Clarke ?

I am sure that Asimov or Clarke have set stories on Ceres. -- Beardo 05:34, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Merge

Why is there a whole article on this? Would it not be better just to include it as a section in the Ceres article? 74.100.204.167 03:37, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

This is in analogy to other solar-system objects (e.g. Mars in fiction). There are enough different examples that a separate article is justified (and also an article separate from Asteroids in fiction). Michaelbusch 04:06, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree, this new designation isn't that serious, Ceres is still an asteroid and this page isn't necessary -- though, frankly, I just don't give a you-know-what and don't want to make the movement for it. ...But if someone else does I'm in favor. --IdLoveOne (talk) 18:22, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Ender's Game?

Article says:

In Orson Scott Card's Enders Game series of novels (1985), Ceres is tunneled out and used as a base by the invading Formics (Buggers), then later used as a base and as Command School by the humans.

I recall no mention of Ceres in Ender's Game. Is someone mixing it up with 433 Eros? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.79.100.238 (talk) 10:13, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

Descent 3 Level 7

Ceres is mentioned, first in the briefing, and in the intro cutscene it says that you are on Ceres. I could load up the game and take a screenshot if you need any more info or proof. http://www.gamespot.com/features/descent3_gg/walk17.html

"You are being sent to the PTMC mine on Ceres. There, you are looking for a current sample of a virus. Locate the sample!"

I'm going to change it to add Descent 3, please tell me if any more proof is needed.

Dakatsu1993 03:03, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

"Hard Science" SF?

Is there any possibility of a distinct section for hard science SF set on Ceres, which would utilise or extrapolate existing known data or hypotheses about Ceres' geological composition, and related evidence-based data about this aforesaid 'dwarf planet'?

Calibanu (talk) 04:43, 15 July 2008 (UTC)User: Calibanu

Requested move 31 July 2015

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The result of the move request was: moved to Ceres (dwarf planet) in fiction. (non-admin closure) Alakzi (talk) 00:57, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

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Ceres in fiction → 1 Ceres in fiction – this is not about fictional representations of the goddess 67.70.32.190 (talk) 05:43, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.

• Support I am the nominator -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 05:44, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
• Support, seems like a sensible proposal. Best, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 19:10, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
• Move to Ceres (dwarf planet) in fiction. Should match the title of the actual article on the subject, which is Ceres (dwarf planet). -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:45, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
  • That is fine by me (though I prefer my current option)-- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 03:53, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Support for moving it to Ceres (dwarf planet) in fiction - way clearer for most people. --Fixuture (talk) 18:48, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
• Support either, but prefer Ceres (dwarf planet) in fiction. Egsan Bacon (talk) 18:47, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose "1 Ceres ... anything, as per Talk:Ceres_(dwarf_planet)#Requested_move_14_July_2015, a pretty bad idea.

Support Ceres (dwarf planet) in fiction. Should match the title of the actual article on the subject, which is Ceres (dwarf planet). Exactly as per Necrothesp. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:26, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Discussion

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Requested move 29 December 2017

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. Not seeing agreement to rename as proposed. As usual with a no consensus outcome, there is no prejudice toward further attempts to garner consensus for a higher and better title for this article. Happy New Year to All! (closed by page mover)  Paine Ellsworth  ^put'r there  06:00, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

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Ceres (dwarf planet) in fiction → Ceres in fiction – At Talk:Mercury in fiction#Requested move 29 November 2017, I (I didn’t have an account yet) nominated that the page be moved to correct disambiguation, Mercury (planet) in fiction. It was opposed because there was no page about other senses of “Mercury” in fiction. Here, I decided to do the opposite, i.e. dropping the disambiguation, for similar reasons. LaundryPizza03 (talk) 14:38, 29 December 2017 (UTC) --Relisted.  Paine Ellsworth  ^put'r there  22:04, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Relist comment. Members of WikiProjects Science Fiction, and Solar System have been notified of this discussion. Also please note previous debate above from 2015 when this article was moved to its present title.  Paine Ellsworth  ^put'r there  06:56, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose. The proposed title is likely to cause confusion with fictional representations of the Roman goddess Ceres. Egsan Bacon (talk) 17:55, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Are there any/many representations of the Roman goddess Ceres in fiction? Zarcadia (talk) 17:58, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

• Support, per nom and per the consistency of Mars in fiction, Venus in fiction, Jupiter in fiction, Mercury in fiction, Pluto in fiction and the rest. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:19, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose. The proposed title is likely to cause confusion with fictional representations of the Roman goddess Ceres. Planet Mercury in fiction is how these articles should run per WP:CRITERIA. Not clear why the previous Mercury RM didn't happen, that was a mistake and should be revisited. The one that cries out however is for Planet Venus in fiction. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:29, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

• It should be the other way around (Goddess Ceres in fiction, Goddess Venus in fiction, etc.). Planets in fiction are much more prevalent than the deities in fiction. The planet Mars, for example, has been used in hundreds of stories, films, books, and other fictional representations, many of them iconic. Venus, Jupiter, the Moon, and the rest are much more represented in fiction as planetary locations than as portrayals of the deities. Cere in fiction should point to the minor planet, and Mercury in fiction was correctly decided in favor of the planet. This page should be moved, and encyclopedic consistency kept in favor of the probable overwhelming preponderance of the planets in fiction. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:22, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose too much confusion with the goddess, regardless of whether she is represented in fiction (though I have no doubt she is, somewhere)._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 01:57, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
• Support. This just reverses a redirect. Title is unnecessarily overly WP:precise. Policy favors titles that are more natural, concise and consistent. Station1 (talk) 20:00, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
• Support. The present title is unnatural, overlong, and overly precise, and therefore fails the WP:NAMINGCRITERIA. The parentheses aren't needed to distinguish from any other article, and the mid-phrase placement is out of step with Wikipedia disambiguation.--Cúchullain ^t/c 19:02, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose
  Ceres_(mythology)#Legacy lists a couple of cases of the goddess in fiction:
  • "A poem about Ceres and humanity features in Dmitri's confession to his brother Alexei in Dostoevsky's The Brothers Karamazov, Part 1, Book 3, Chapter 3."
  • "Ceres appears as a character in William Shakespeare's play The Tempest (1611)."

I expect that there are many more, less covered due to systematic bias to modern science fiction. There existence makes the proposed title misleading. I oppose implying with this title that the asteroid is primary. I suggest instead Asteroid Ceres in fiction. "Dwarf planet" is (now) technically more correct, but "asteroid" is still correct, and was the term for the time period covering most of the fiction. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:17, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

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