Talk:Asquith coalition ministry

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Renaming proposal

I suggest that this article should be renamed 'Asquith war ministry', by analogy with Chamberlain war ministry. See also Talk:List_of_British_governments, paragraph 1 - 'Articles that cover the ministries of one PM should be titled “Name ministry”, e.g. Major ministry.' Alekksandr (talk) 16:33, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Or possibly 'Asquith coalition ministry', as his Liberal government lasted several months into WWI. Alekksandr (talk) 19:53, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

I don’t know, with this one. I don’t think there was an official “war cabinet” formed, so I don’t know if we can call it a war government. I’ll check Dod’s later. RGloucester (talk) 21:32, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, it actually wasn’t a war government. He actually had to resign as a result of not forming one….see War Cabinet, from that article :"During the First World War, lengthy Cabinet discussions came to be seen as a source of vacillation in Britain's war effort. In December 1916 it was proposed that the Prime Minister Herbert Asquith should delegate decision-making to a small, three-man committee chaired by the Secretary of State for War David Lloyd George. Asquith initially agreed (provided he retained the right to chair the committee if he chose) before changing his mind after being infuriated by an article in The Times which portrayed the proposed change as a defeat for him. The political crisis grew from this point until Asquith was forced to resign as Prime Minister; he was succeeded by David Lloyd George who thereupon formed a small War Cabinet”. So it isn’t a war government. I think it should probably be termed “Second Asquith ministry”, because of the way he held onto power. RGloucester (talk) 21:35, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

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United Kingdom coalition government (1915–1916) → Second Asquith ministry – Per the consistent usage plan listed at Talk:List of British governments, this article should be titled “Second Asquith ministry”. This would put it in line with other articles of this type that cover only one prime minister. See prior discussion here Talk:List of British governments#Renaming proposals RGloucester (talk) 02:39, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

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Third?

Third is clearly wrong. I think the actual most common name would be Asquith coalition ministry. john k (talk) 05:58, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

According to the source in the lede, this was indeed the third ministry. His first was a majority government and his second a minority government.--Nevé–selbert 06:03, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

I suspect that source is idiosyncratic! The loss of the Liberal majority did not entail any personnel changes that I'm aware of, nor did Asquith resign and get re-appointed by Edward VII. At any rate, I'm suggesting "Asquith coalition ministry," which means we don't have to worry about that. john k (talk) 14:09, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

John K, how about Asquith war ministry, see sources? For consistency with Chamberlain war ministry, et al.--Nevé–selbert 18:27, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

The other war ministries (Lloyd George, Chamberlain, Churchill) had "war cabinets", where there was a small cabinet that didn't include many typically cabinet offices to streamline decision-making. Not true for Asquith's coalition. I think it's more often called a "coalition cabinet" or "coalition government" or "coalition ministry" than "war cabinet," "war government," or "war ministry." I wonder if part of the problem is we should be using "government" instead of "ministry." john k (talk) 18:31, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

We can move the article back to Second Asquith ministry, if that's preferable. Asquith–Law coalition might be a better title though, source.--Nevé–selbert 19:40, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Moved to Asquith coalition ministry, which happens to be used in over 300 sources. Thanks for bringing this matter to attention.--Nevé–selbert 00:04, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks - I agree that this is the best title. john k (talk) 20:21, 26 November 2017 (UTC)