Talk:Ashford railway works
Latest comment: 14 years ago by Redrose64 in topic Referencing
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Referencing
editI have added inline refs where possible, there are still some required. Much of the original text seems to be based on the books by Larkin, father and son, which I cannot really accept as WP:RELIABLE:
- in their 1988 book they state (p.93) "in 1888 the South-Eastern Railway amalgamated with the South-Eastern & Chatham Railway" which is easily disproved. Even E.F. Carter doesn't commit that howler.
- on the same page they state that all 109 Wainwright 0-6-0s (ie the C class) were built at Ashford; in fact 70 were, with 9 from Longhedge and 15 each from Neilson, Reid and Sharp, Stewart.
- in both their books they state that 639 steam locos were built there, but a check down the table gives a total of over 750.
I can see that I need to give it a thorough check. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:13, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
- I think I see how Larkin & Larkin get a total of 639. They have taken the number of locos built at Ashford for the SER or SE&CR, or for the SR to SE&CR orders, and added the Stanier 8F class:
- Locos completely built at Ashford to Cudworth (159), Mansell (15), Stirling (239) or Wainwright (196) designs: 609
- Locos built at Ashford to Maunsell designs and SE&CR orders - K (1), N (15), N1 (1), K1 (1): 18
- Locos built at Ashford to REC order (LMS class 8F): 14
- total 641 (there are thus two other locos they're ignoring)
- Why count the 8Fs and ignore the 70 locos built to SR orders (other than the 50 "Woolworths")? --Redrose64 (talk) 15:02, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
- Curious. Lowe (p.595) also gives a total of 639, but qualifies it: "Up to this date [1 January 1923] as far as can be estimated 639 locomotives had been built at Ashford." I think that he's including the second batch of the L class (10 locos) which were built by Borsig in Berlin and, according to Bradley "were unloaded at Dover [and] towed to Ashford Works where they were prepared for service by fitters sent over from Germany." so my guess is that Larkin & Larkin took this as a final total. Lowe's final total is 740 plus the 50 "Woolworths" giving 790 (I get 712+50=762). --Redrose64 (talk) 17:03, 18 February 2010 (UTC)