Talk:Army of North Macedonia

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Do Macedonia stil have conscription?

FYROM/Macedonia Naming War of Doom

Could everybody cut it out already? Image links are tied to image names, which have been named and uploaded as they have been named and uploaded. Calling an image "Army of the Republic of Macedonia" is just as fine as calling it "Army of the FYROM". Why? Simply because two thirds of the world use the former, the rest uses the latter. I do not have any care for the entire Greeko-Macedonian dispute over names and whatnot, I just would like to see images (flags, graphs, etc) instead of red links. Thank you very, very, very much. Russoswiss (talk) 18:17, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Those fucker's army is PATHETIC! We're doing them a favour for not blasting them back to the stone age (to give them a chance to re-write official ancient history as they use to do).

Graphic of the Army Structure

I'm currently working on a project to create graphics of the structure of the most important Armies. i.e. France. I want to make also a graphic of the structure of the Land Forces of the Military of the Republic of Macedonia, but the information at this point is not sufficient, as there is no information what units compose the single divisions, brigades and Regiments. Does anyone have this information- down to the Battalion and Company levels? Thanks noclador

I wish you would leave the text for the OOB in the body of the articles after you create your charts. Some people may want to use the data and charts can't be converted to text. --Mrg3105 (talk) 07:33, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

I created the graphic today and all units are there with the exception of the units of the two active Brigades! If anyone has information regarding the 1st and 2nd Brigade- please let me know. so that I can update and finish the graphic. Also I do not know were the Land Force, Rapid Reaction and Strategic Forces Commands are located! thanks, --noclador 11:44, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

The two active brigades are in fact Mechanised Infantry, according to this graph. I dug around the site and I fell on the Joint Command page which has some units listed, including the two brigades. The 1st Mechanised Infantry Brigade's site has a nice gallery, but little practical information. The 2nd Mechanised Brigade's site, however, has lots of inormation, including a whole graph. Here it is, all translated. Enjoy! Russoswiss 17:52, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I hate the Macedonian Army site. You can add it to the hit parade of the worst army sites ever. Not only is the Macedonian language graphic of extremely bad quality, but I also can't figure out whether it is different from the english one or not, since they are constructed in different styles. Grrrrr. I'll get back to this talk page once I figured it all out. Russoswiss 18:03, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

thanks for pointing out the link; I already updated the graphic with the units of the 2nd Mechanized Brigade :-) --noclador 20:15, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I can't believe it! The 1st Mech. Inf. Brigade also has all the Mission/Structure/Etc pages, it's just that they aren't linked to the Brigade's front page! I fiddled with the URLs after a logical conclusion, seeing if it would work, and it did work! Anyway. According to the graphics, the 1st Brigade is exactly the same as the 2nd brigade. And yes, even the Macedonian army icons are messed up, it seems. And if you feel like it, here be the translated orbat for the 3rd Priority Reserve Brigade. But that's it, the trick didn't work for the 4th Brigade. Enjoy! Russoswiss 23:57, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

M-84 in Macedonia?

There are no M-84 MBTs in Macedonia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 91.150.123.162 (talk) 19:01, August 22, 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Macedonian army never had M-84 MBT's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.150.103.195 (talk) 17:49, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

retired weapons

The 2 UH-1 helis and 10 Leonidas APC dont serve any more. the UH-1 sold to Bosna and the Leonidas to Bulgaria. remove them. John Athens Greece 15/11/2007.

We actually gifted them half of their Air "Force"... MUHAHAHA!!!

Roundel

The Roundel of the Macedonian Air Force is a triangle, so its a case of triangle peg not fitting the round hole :)--Mrg3105 (talk) 07:34, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Their Air Force IS A HOLE! MUHAHA! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.118.191.48 (talk) 00:17, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Commander -in-Chief

Commander-in-Chief refers to superme leader of the military. In macedonia that is the macedonian president, i usa it is US president. Lt. Miroslav Stojanovski is General Headquaters leader. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.28.163.46 (talk) 14:32, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Country name is not widely accepted

The most widely accepted name for this country is F.Y.R.O.M , the dispute between Greece and this country has not been resolved yet, the least that wikipedia has to do , is AT LEAST mark this topic and wherever the name republic of macedonia or fyrom appears as contested topic ,you make it sound like it is final (the name republic of macedonia) and this is misleading. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.124.141.59 (talk) 17:20, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

For the record, FYROM is currently not allowed on wP per WP:NCMAC. - BilCat (talk) 04:36, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Unsourced material

Several sections in the article are totally unsourced, including the long lists of military materiel. I have added the {{unreferenced section}}-tag to the sections that need an immediate effort to provide sources. If reliable sources haven't been provided within a reasonable amount of time all of the unsourced material will be removed. Thomas.W ^talk 11:46, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: Moved per others (closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 15:44, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

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Army of the Republic of Macedonia → Army of the Republic of North Macedonia – Apparently this is the new name. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 10:18, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

• Support movement of all former "Republic of Macedonia" pages to "North Macedonia" equivalents, as formal name change has now been implemented. Smith(talk)

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NPOV Fail. Comment

Is this text lifted wholesale from some other (PR related) document? There are numerous cases of:

• ... Our security policy
  
• ... all of our neighbours ...
  
• ... of our own defence ...
  
• ... accordance with our capabilities ...
  

And then this:

• In the execution of the mission, the soldiers and officers faced different challenges, threats and dangers resulting from their mission and profession. During the mission, the ARM representatives showed professionalism, a high level of training and readiness in the execution of the missions. With their dedication, courage, responsibility and patriotism shoulder to shoulder with the US soldiers and the soldiers of the other coalition partners presented our homeland the Republic of Macedonia in a dignified manner and in the best possible light. The greatest confirmation of their success are the 120 medals presented by the US. Thus, we say that they are the best ambassadors of the country.

So ... not quite an encyclopaedia article. I've tagged this for NPOV, but given the major re-write that will be required, and some of the responses to earlier talk sections, I doubt if I'm going to be doing much on it.
Wayne 01:45, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

In line with what was mentioned previously, I have removed the sections of text that are written in first person, it is painful to see this type of language being used on wikipedia. I also noticed that much of the article lacks citations. I do hope somebody more knowledgeable in this field can come in and clean up this page.ThreatMatrix (talk) 08:15, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Name

Okay, so the name of the army is still Army of the Republic of Macedonia (ab. ARM) (Армија на Република Македонија, АРМ) and you can confirm that from the official social media/website of the army (http://www.arm.mil.mk/), you can check some of the articles and they use the name North Macedonia for the country, but the army is still called ARM. Plus, no one has used the term ARNM/ARSM (АРСМ) in the country yet, everyone calls it ARM, so this abbreviation ARSM/ARNM is non-existent, you can also confirm that from the army's logo/symbol. On that, someone who can, please change the name of the article back to the old one and edit the word North out of the name of the army where it is used in the article so that we don't make things more complicated and stick to the (in this case) official + common information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.162.199.41 (talk) 10:32, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Name has since been changed officially. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 11:36, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 14 June 2020

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The result of the move request was: moved (closed by non-admin page mover) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 16:23, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

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Army of the Republic of North Macedonia → Army of North Macedonia – WP:CONCISE, no other North Macedonia so the "Republic of" is unnecessarily verbose. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 11:40, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

• Support. No other article of an army on Wikipedia has the words "republic of" in the article name, so I think this is fair. Iamawesomeautomatic (talk) 13:45, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
• Support as per WP:CONCISE ~ Amkgp 💬 14:53, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
• Support per WP:CONCISE and naming consensus at WP:NCMAC. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:45, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

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A suggestion

I don't know if anyone even uses this talk page but in case a seasonal or more experienced Wikipedia editor sees this, I have a suggestion. Create an "infantry equipment" section that includes the helmets, gas mask and maybe bullet proof vests (if you can find source on the vests) There's solid information about the helmets and gas mask the army uses that I can provide but not the vests. Simplytheman (talk) 01:45, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

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The article needs updating

Parts of the article are several years out of date. Currently, the Army is in the process of transformation in order to be adapted to NATO standards, so more things will change and therefore it is necessary to pay attention to this article. I am primarily referring to the structure of the Army, which is in the process of being changed according to the Long-Term Plan 2019-2028. I will update the article occasionally, any help is welcome. Идеологист (talk) 11:34, 4 June 2023 (UTC)