Talk:Argentina national football team/Archive 1

Archive 1

Current Squad

Guys:

We shouldn't have a current Squad. Jor, I know you don't agree with me but there is no such a thing as a current squad. The base should be something like "Current Stars", where we put players who are recurring in the team (such as Aimar, Riquelme, Tevez, Abbondanzieri, Crespo, etc...). Ustari, Bilos and such are players who are on and off the team and since the squad is assembled only for a specific game or competition is invalid to say what the "current" squad is.

I like the idea of people understanding the base (La base esta!!!!), but adding the third goalie and the last defender on the bench won't accomplish that. I would be amenable to keep the WC squad in there once the list is published and until the WC is over.

Sebastian Kessel ^Talk 18:36, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

A "Current stars" list is a good idea, and we should change the "Famous players" to "Famous past players" then. Re the WC squad: we could simply include a link to 2006 FIFA World Cup (squads) once that article is ready. --Nanouk 14:43, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Aye aye, I like the approach. Sebastian Kessel ^Talk 15:06, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Current stars would be ok, so foreign people could get an idea and of course the official WC team must be here too when available.- Jor70 23:51, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Worst Defeat

Why are 3 worst defeat ?? One of them should be worst than the others. Jor70 01:31, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

What is worse 6-1 or 5-0? All other teams' page have several matches with the same result, see for instance Czechoslovakia. Mariano(t/c) 07:48, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Past WC squads

Are we really going to keep all past WC squads here? They are in their respective pages (ie: 2002 FIFA World Cup (squads)... If no opposition, I'll delete soon.

PS: Do you like the "State Flags"? They don't look good and most people don't recognize them anyway...

Sebastian Kessel ^Talk 00:12, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree. We could have a list of Argentine Squads per year; but first I have to solve some things.

About the flags, I changed the size from 30px to 20px (the standard value for flags) and now they don't look soooo bad. I have no oppinion on the matter. Mariano(t/c) 08:39, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm creating the templates of World Cup teams of Argentina. Regarding the flags, it looks nice. I have to admit that we the Argentine people do not use Provincial flags to identify ourselves, but the flags look nice and they're encyclopedic. Mxcatania 20:25, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Provincial flags

I don't understand. Who deleted the provincial flags in the WC squad list? Mxcatania 20:32, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Check the history, I don't remember exactly who. In any case, I'm not sure it's such a good idea to have them. Mariano(t/c) 06:38, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

No page?

I went to the Argentina NAtional football team and tehre is no writing or info. There is nothing when you try too edit the page

Someone blanked it, check again, if it still blank, hit refresh. Next time something like this happens, click the history tab and look at previosu edits to see if its been deleted. Philc _T^E_C^I 17:39, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Current Squad - The return

Gentlemen:

National teams DO NOT have a set roster (like clubs do) except for competitions like the World Cup. The roster changes from match to match and usually does not stay the same. Please DO NOT add the roster again, since it false, unsourced and a POV of whoever is writing the article. The World Cup is over and so that roster is no longer valid (ergo having little value outside of WC2006 related pages). However, "Current Stars" (as in the most renowned players (Crespo, Tevez, Messi, etc) has a place here since it will help readers indentify players that MAY be included on teams. I would be amenable to an addition like that.

PS: The team doesn't even have a coach... how can we pretend to know who the players are? PPS: The one I just reverted even included Cristiano Zanetti, which isn't even an argentine player.

Sebastian Kessel ^Talk 18:24, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Most Caps

There seems to be an inconsistency: Diego Simeone is listed as the most capped player, but in his page he has 105 games listed, one less than Javier Zanetti, who has 106. Anyone knows how it is? 01:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Simeone has 106, Zanetti 102, and Ayala 105. I fixed. Mariano(t/c) 09:44, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Goals

Kevin, I just add the sources. I do not understand why are you so contrary on this, if those goals were made by England they would be featured at wikipedia front page! Jor70 11:33, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

1) I am not English. Do not accuse me of a bias towards England. I started monitoring some of the Argentina football pages precisely because I thought they would be susceptible to pro-England, anti-Argentinian vandalism. You do not help your case by the unsustainable hyperbole of your comment here.

2) I deleted the sentence because they were not historic acheivements of the team, but had been put into that section.

3) I deleted the sentence because the loose term "regarded" refers to an opinion, and there was no reference to suggest that the opinion had authority of either numbers or expertize. You have improved this somewhat, but if this element is to remain, the reason why the goals are noteworthy should be in the text. The Cambiasso goal was not even voted as the best of the tournament in the FIFA poll.

4) I deleted the sentence because the two goals, 20 years apart, were unrelated other than in that they were scored in World cup tournaments by Argentian players. To link them at least borders on fancruft.

5) I deleted the sentence because, while I admire your willingness to participate in a Wikipedia project in what is not your native tongue, the grammar and semantics were not of a standard suitable for an encyclopedia. Por el mismo motivo, leo, pero no contribuyo en Wikipedia en español.

I shall leave the sentence there for now, to give you or other editors a chance to modify it in the light of this, but frankly, I think that it deserves to go.Kevin McE 12:29, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

The 2 goals get the attention worldwide, this is a fact and is not common, I can give you plenty of more references about this (Maradona 's even has its own article). About not being word cup 2006 best, we can add Maxi 's goal too if you want, but I dont think is so notable like these ones. Being the goals 20 years apart is irrelevant, what is relevant is that both of them were World Cup goals worldwide famous and highly profile. if you are so strict about not consider them as historic acheivements we can position them in a sub section. "Regarded" and my english you know Kevin I always appreciate and be very grateful of your help and patience ! Jor70 01:40, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree with Kevin here. Maradona's goal might be worth mentioning though, but should be properly phrased. --Mariano(t/c) 12:46, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I moved away from historic acheivements, sourced more and re phrased a bit, your better english could help! Jor70 14:07, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

You make my point precisely, Jor, when you say "I dont think is so notable". If the notability of it is a matter of your opinion, then there is no blade of decision by which they are included or excluded: it becomes a matter of whim (lots of goals get attention world-wide) and therefore unencyclopedic. I will not want to copyedit what I do not think has a rightful place in the article, although I have been happy to do so for your contributions elsewhere. Kevin McE 19:02, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I make your point in Maxi 's goal, i agree is not notable enough, but not in these two. And of course is not my opinion, I sourced both of them and we can find plenty of more references. You said there are lots of goals getting the attention world-wide, I not oppose to mention them elsewhere if they are notable. And, you know Kevin, I admire you too much anyway! :-) Jor70 19:58, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I forgot to mention, and sorry Kevin about compare this with England, but why they should have John Barnes' goal for England against Brazil in 1984 was ranked 75th. . First of all, who is John Barnes ?, and second why is this notable ? Jor70 20:02, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

John Barnes is, I would venture to suggest, considerably better known in the English speaking world than Esteban Cambiasso, although I would not want to condone such anglocentrism in Wikipedia. If you want to know more about who he is, look up his article. It is not for me to defend every unedited bit of irrelevance in Wikipedia, nor for you to claim that if irrelevance appears elsewhere it justifies its inclusion here. I would not argue against the removal of the section in which that reference appears, but in its defence that section has an externally verifiable criterion for inclusion (voted into the top 100 events in a widely publicised poll), and that section would be in error if the Barnes goal was omitted. In contrast, the goals you mention have no qualification for inclusion beyond your selection of them, which you condede above to be a matter of personal taste. The Cambiasso goal is, appropriately IMHO, mentioned in his article: it would perhaps bear some description in the WC2006 section of this article, but the current sentence is unjustified. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kevin McE (talk • contribs) 22:02, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

Cambiaso's award noted in WC2006 section: comment in trivia section removed as POV as to why these gaols ntable and related.Kevin McE 00:12, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I didnt notice when I admitted POV Jor70 03:44, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I quote "we can add Maxi's goal too if you want, but I dont think is so notable like these ones." (Jor, 05/03/07) You don't think it is as notable: but you have no stated criteria for notability, so its notability is your opinion.Kevin McE 21:28, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

the criteria for notability was (I quote myself) we can find plenty of more references, therefore, Cambiasso goal is mentioned in plenty of different sources and that is the notability of the case. Also, Maradona's goal, like barnes's, was in that 2002 channel 4 poll too, so I imagine would not be POV if we mention that. Jor70 01:35, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Scope of article and Olympic medals

I believe, and discussion that I started here contains no opinions to the contrary, that this family of articles should deal only with the full national squads. Thus acheivements of age restricted teams, including more recent Olympic squads, do not belong under this heading. Kevin McE 08:18, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I am not really interested in engaging in an edit war here, but as I see it, the Olympic medals issue is far from settled in the discussion user Kevin McE had linked in the section above. Most other national football team pages include the Olympic medal count. Like all, I just want some consistency here. With that said, I like the approach another user User:Johan Elisson had proposed in the discussion: count the Olympic medals, but with a note explaining the age restriction on Olympic football teams. What do you guys think? Mwlin1 04:35, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

`The Gold Medal in the 2004 Olympic Games in Athens is missing

`Also the 1996 Atlanta Silver Medal is also missing

`After visiting several other National team sites, I noticed that they all had their Medal counts intact. I took the liberty in reinstalling Argentinas medal counts in both the 1996 and 2004 olympics games in Football.

I have combined 3 threads in this discussion as they all deal with the same controversy: I trust that this does not cause offence. My opinion remains that any Olympic football medal since 1936 is not an acheivement of the full national side, but rather that of an amateuror age-restricted side, and therefore that it does not belong here. While I do not think that inaccurate information elsewhere in Wikipedia justifies its retention here, I accept that it might seem unjust for me to make changes on a page that I am monitoring here when the are not mirrored elsewhere. Thus I have tried to encourage debate with the intetion of creating a consensus on the page linked above. Kevin McE 23:11, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

`Your point is taken, but as an achievement and as a further source of information, medal counts should be shown as to give people a wider view that National teams are involved in many Fifa sponsored competitions. In the Olympic competition, squads are allowed to carry 3 players that are over the age of 23, as to bolster their teams. Feeling that the addition would further inform readers can only prove beneficial. A disclaimer as a contributor mentioned above would also be helpful. Having the medals posted while providing the link would engage people in wanting to search and learn more, and eventually working their way towards the pages of that designated competition. (H&S)

I am not entirely sure what you mean by some of this. "medal counts should be shown as to give people a wider view that National teams are involved in many Fifa sponsored competitions": the only medal charts that I have contested are those regarding the Olympics, which appear below the infobox, and that competition is not FIFA sponsored. Full national teams are not "involved in many Fifa sponsored competitions": they take part in two every four years typically (continental and World Cups). The issue over the Olympics is not that they are allowed three over-23 players: it is that they are only allowed three over-23 players, thus they cannot play their full team: appearances in an Olympic team are not rewarded with caps, and so are not included in the statistics relevant to these pages, so why would the result of a competition be considered appropriate here. For any nation whose sides compete seriously at such levels, there should be articles for Templatonia U-17 football team, Templatonia U-20 football team, Templatonia Olympic football team etc. Kevin McE 19:27, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I think that the info on Olympic and U-20 etc, acheivements should be left on this page until the Argentina Olympic football team and Argentina Under 20 football team articles have been created, the acievements of the teams noted there, and the pages properly linked to this page. When this has happened I would have no complaints about the removal of the info from this page as it would no longer be becoming "lost" to wikipedia.King of the North East 19:42, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Having the olympic medal count with a disclaimer is more informative, instead of not having it included.

Intro needed

Before I been deleted at once per some given reason I would like to discuss here this matter. I thing a brief and objective intro should be in the lead. Perhaps mentioning the all greatest Argentina players gives to the world thru the years ( Di Stéfano, Maradona ) and the traditional style of playing (passing) of the national squad. --Jor70 13:59, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

The lead certainly could do with expanding, although writing about the playing style could slip into OR, and would have to describe a style that has always been true of a team, which might be difficult to establish. I would refer you to WP:LEAD, and its own lead paragraph: The lead should be capable of standing alone as a concise overview of the article, establishing context, summarizing the most important points, explaining why the subject is interesting or notable, and briefly describing its notable controversies, if there are any. The emphasis given to material in the lead should roughly reflect its importance to the topic according to reliable, published sources.

There is no point in listing 3 biggest defeats...

There is no point in listing 3 biggest defeats... For example the Uruguay and the Brazil articles, have only 1 of their biggest defeats listed. I suggest you only leave the latest biggest defeat (against Colombia). In fact, all the other World Cup winners (Italy, England, Germany, France) have only 1 biggest defeat listed. The objectivity of this article is clearly disputed. I will request a deletion of the other two biggest defeats. Ale2007 23:11, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

That is a quite ridiculous accusation of bias. Argentina have been beaten by 5 goals on 3 occasions, so all three are mentioned: if they lose by 6 goals in their next match, there will only be one worst defeat mentioned. Equally, if they win their next two matches by 12 goal margins, there will be 3 best victories recorded. This has nothing to do with other World Cup winners, and everything to do with statistical objectivity. Plenty of other countries have more than one match in either the biggest win or biggest defeat section. Kevin McE 23:22, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Recentism gone mad

106 years of history: 162 words

2006 World Cup 384 words

2007 Copa América 412 words.

Patently out of proportion, and rife with commentary and POV observations. These sections need radical overhaul, soon. Kevin McE 22:46, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, I removed some of the POV and weasel words (though not all of it) from the Copa América 2007 section. A lot of work really needs to be done on the history. ♦Tangerines♦·Talk 22:51, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I suggest replace the whole COPA section with "Through the last decade, Brazil was better than Argentina". NO MORE COMMENTS. --Jor70 23:30, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Ouch!!! :) Argentina managed to play really well throughout Copa América 2007 and then lose to a Brazil side who started the tournament so badly! ♦Tangerines♦·Talk 23:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Now the POV and journalistic match reports have been removed: key facts, fitting to an encyclopaedia, remain. Kevin McE 22:21, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Update

Javier Zanetti has 113 caps now (he played against Norway).

The squad for friendly match against Australia is now available.190.183.56.153 16:49, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello, Javier Zanetti will have 115 caps (same as Ayala) when he plays today against Venezuela. I think it will be good to add him along with Roberto Ayala in the main page. Greetings. Ale2007 04:39, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Last Squad

The current squad is the sub-23 squad (coach: Sergio Batista), not the Basile squad

yeah, FIFA.com removed it form the results. Seems Guatemala also use U23 players. Matthew_hk tc 02:30, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Argentina and France record

Hi.

What is the problem to include this phrase, that has a FIFA source?: "Argentina and France are the only national teams in the world which have won the four most important titles organized by FIFA: World Cup, Gold medal in football in the Olympic Games, Confederations Cup, and the Continental Cup (Copa America for Argentina, and UEFA European Football Championship for France)."

Am I wrong? This record is not correct? It doen´t exist?... I think that it´s a valious record, that -actually- only two teams in the world have: Argentina and France. What is the problem of including the phrase? Olympic games is organised by FIFA...

See you, --Ultracanalla (talk) 00:13, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

See the section above, Scope of article and Olympic medals. It was suggested more than 9 months ago that those interested in recording Olympic information should create an article for the team that competes in the Olympics. The team which is the subject of this article does not compete in the Olympics. Kevin McE (talk) 14:46, 25 April 2008

(UTC)

I read and there were no consensus about that. And by the other hand, the record I posted is totally true. What is the problem to mention that? Those 4 competitons are the most important in the world... Am I wrong? --Ultracanalla (talk) 14:52, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

That is your opinion. By all means state the facts but not with "most important" attached. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:10, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi there, I guess the problem can be reduced to this two points of view: 1) "the team which is the subject of this article does not compete in the Olympics"; 2) the Olympics are a FIFA sponsored competition, and this article deals not with the National football teams, but in fact with the National Associations.

Those who supports 1 would prefer to include separate articles, while those who support 2 would include the Olympic records here. Problem with 2 is that then the article name should be changed, leading to some confusion (the actual name article is much clearer, leaving the articles on National Associations just to deal with the organism in itself).

Problem with 1, however, is facts. First: it's true that nowadays this team doesn't compete in Olympics, but it wasn't always like that. In Argentina's case, it was the major national team which competed in one of his medals, as it was the case in every national team which competed in Olymppics prior to the World Cup. An even then, many other major national teams continued competing there far beyond WWII (i.e., the ones from the Communists countries). Second: Every major national association counts their own Olympic record, as the FIFA does.

Just to state my opinion then, even when I see there are pro's on both sides, I'd tend to include the record here. Reasons: 1) as stated, it's a fact that Olympic records counted as competitions recognized by FIFA and by National Associations; 2) it's not true that the history of this national team has nothing to do with the Olympics. And finally, and this could be 3) I don't think the Ultracanalla's "most important" phrase is any problem, since it's not just an opinion: there are simply no other FIFA competition left aside. So it should be stated here, even when it's unclear the actual relation to senior national football teams, it is undoubtedly "one of the most" FIFA competitions.

Moreover, by the same reasoning I would tend to include here the records of U20 and U17. Please don't kill me.Ipsumesse (talk) 06:42, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Complete games record

Does anybody know of a website that has a complete record of all Argentina's games, with the goalscorers. (looking for 1956-1957 specifically) RSSSF.com has a list of games but not the goalscorers and I'm trying to find out which games Omar Sivori scored in. - Soprani 12:24, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I think I've found it. Check this out: http://www.informeargentina.com.ar/portada.htm. Regards.Ipsumesse (talk) 06:56, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Famous players section

An editor has been regularly deleting the list of famous players section. I believe that the list could be significantly improved by coming up with a well defined set of inclusion criteria such as say "50+ caps, top 10 scorers, World Cup winners, multiple Copa América champions and long term captains of the team". I would be prepared to weed the list, add a few more important historical figures to give the list a better historical balance, and add references if other editors support my proposal. Any opinions? EP 21:55, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

It is really dificult to make a definition of what should go there and what not. For isntance, I wouldn't place all WC winners (44 of them), while I would definitelly put Caniggia (50 caps). Once uppon a time they were somehow sorted temporally, what made it easier to keep 5 or 6 from each generation, and not so many current boom players (Agüero is hardly a notable national team player).

But I do agree on your guidelines, except for WC winners, and with the exceptional case to be discussed.

(BTW: Hi there!) Mariano(t/c) 06:29, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

I imagine that many of the World Cup winners would already qualify with 50+ caps, maybe we could say World Cup Final players, I mean playing in the WC final is as notable as it gets for footballers. EP 21:24, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Right I am going to remove any player that has not played 50 games, scored 10 goals or won a full international tournamnet. And put a note at the top of the section. EP 21:37, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

10

messi is number 10, no montenegro —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.232.172.127 (talk) 01:41, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Complete Score Table II

i think we should add a table showing all the teams argentina played and how many times they won, lost or tied to those nations, like many other team's pages have, like Brazil, England, Yugoslavia, Poland and Algeria. I would do it but i dont really know how to make a table. Arg2k (talk) 07:43, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

History

I bringing this to talk first instead of add it directly but I recently came across this text in the other languages wikis and I think it merit a mention : Until the late seventies the Argentine National team did not obtain many good results at World Cup tournaments because, as per a FIFA rule, the Argentines playing in foreign leagues could represent those countries

there are plenty of players examples to mention. --Jor70 (talk) 02:23, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

tevez?

No mention of tevez in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.243.100.159 (talk) 20:45, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Cambiasso

The player Cambiasso was not called. Check the news. 201.51.96.201 (talk) 23:19, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

History - La Selección & Albicelestes

The History section begins with the following:

"La Selección (The selection), also known as the Albicelestes (Light blue and whites)"

What is "La Selección (The selection)"? Is it the official name of the National team, or does it just mean the final roster? Is it the name for the process of selecting the team, like "The NBA Draft," or something else? The term is not used elsewhere in the article. since I don't know what La Selección is, I also don't know what the Albicelestes is a nickname for - again, is it a synonym for the team? Ileanadu (talk) 22:17, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Overly literal translation: media in S America use la selección to mean the team, and so it was at one stage listed as an alternative nickname. Albicelestses is in the infobox as a nickname. Kevin McE (talk) 16:45, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Gdifazio, 3 July 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} in 2006, Argentina lost against bronze-medal Germany at the World Cup. Therefore, Argentina ended up 7th overall, not 5th. Ukraine was 5th and Brazil was 6th. Please make the change, thank you.

Giuseppe Melles Di Fazio 19:35, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Partly done: – I've corrected the entry as 5th was indeed wrong, but according to the table and reasoning at 2006 FIFA World Cup full team ranking, it should be 6th rather than 7th. AJCham 00:15, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 74.164.27.145, 5 July 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} to take out the name Diego Maradona Because he is not the coach Any more.

Maradona was discredited a while ago. Right now, Sergio Batista is the interm/temporary coach[1] and he will most likey become the permanent coach in upcoming October.[2] 74.164.27.145 (talk) 20:41, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Done SpigotMap 13:40, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --Bocafan76 (talk) 17:15, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Kit history?

The Kit Evolution section of this article merely displays the home kits used and from which respective years. Is there any history on how the famous sky blue and white striped design was introduced? Also, the road kits, although sparingly used due to the unique design of the home kits, deserve some attention. I remember the road kits being violet at one point…

DaDoc540 (talk) 05:14, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism?

Someone has Vandalised the page and removed who the captain is and replaced it with his own name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Liam98865 (talk • contribs) 15:12, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

sorted. No need to give the halfwit in question additional publicity: just go to the history page, identify the offending edit, and revert it. Or edit the article directly to restore the true information. See WP:R Van Kevin McE (talk) 17:15, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Argentina's home stadium is:

Estadio Monumental Antonio Vespucio Liberti Also Referred to as River Plate Stadium 168.101.48.11 (talk) 19:21, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Rivalry against Germany

"Germany

Argentina have played Germany in three FIFA World Cup finals. In 2006 and 2010 the two teams played each other in two consecutive World Cup quarterfinals, where Argentina lost on penalties after a 1-1 draw in 2006 and lost again in 2010, this time with a 4-0 victory for Germany. They played each other for the third consecutive World Cup when they met at the 2014 World Cup final match, where they were defeated by 1-0." Any sources for this rivalry? I as a German have never heard about this rivalry 89.0.244.173 (talk) 20:44, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Alexiulian25 (talk) 18:50, 23 June 2015 (UTC) Why Norberto Méndez is not in top 10 goalscorers with 24 goals in 33 games ??

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Page overflow

Adding other templates to a page already on overflow... will only results into overflow. Pldx1 (talk) 09:27, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Once a page is on overflow, it only remains to decide what will be removed from the page. After the revert made by User:WilliamF1two, the templates

1. {{Argentina squad 1916 South American Championship}}
2. {{Argentina squad 1917 South American Championship}}
3. {{Argentina squad 1919 South American Championship}}

are displayed again, at the cost that templates

1. {{Football in Argentina}}
2. {{CONMEBOL teams}}
3. {{International Football}}
4. {{ArgentinaNationalTeams}}

are now masked. I have no opinion about what is the better choice. I am only saying that when a template is no more displayed due to overflow, it is better to replace him by only a link... and start examining how to reduce the size of the page. Cheers. Pldx1 (talk) 13:23, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Apologies for this, I didn't realise about the overflow, my mistake. I don't entirely understand overflow to be honest with you - would it fix the problem to create a hypothetical Template:Argentina Copa América squads template, for example, so that the same information could be contained in one template? WilliamF1two (talk) 13:39, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

I attempted that solution, and it didn't work, so I have fixed it using this template. Sorry for the inconvenience. WilliamF1two (talk) 18:46, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

A quite efficient representation of the template overflow problem is as follows. When you call a procedure, you must keep somewhere the address where to return after the call. When the called procedure calls itself another procedure, you need a second place to store the return address of the internal call. And so on. This is taken into account by something called a stack. When the stack is full, you have no more place to store another return address and something breaks somewhere. Thus an editorial decision must be taken. Perhaps, the best thing to do is splitting the page. Perhaps removing some templates. Perhaps considering that it not so useful to have a flag near each country name. I have no clue about what could be the best editorial choice here. The only thing I am sure of, is that, whatever solution is chosen, the result will be that something will not be displayed (either by choice or by failure of the software). Best regards. Pldx1 (talk) 21:30, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2016

Lionel Messi is right now JOINT topscorer of Argentina with Batistuta, so in the topscorer category it should be "Lionel Messi and Gabriel Batistuta (54)". Like Austria national football teams "Bernard Voorhoof and Paul Van Himst (30). 2001:7D0:81C8:B501:3089:8CAD:A7EB:8C2B (talk) 12:58, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

 Not done Reliable sources show that Batistuta scored 56 goals in 78 matches, and that Lionel Messi has scored 54 goals in 111 matches, as of 18 June 2016. SLBedit (talk) 16:21, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Gabriel Batistuta scored 56 goals Messi only 54 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.214.163.154 (talk) 13:51, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

2 goals of Batistuta do not count because he scored them against a B-team and therefore not officially recognised by AFA (Argentine Football Association). So officially he has 54 which makes Messi the top scorer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zidane-Materazzi (talk • contribs) 21:05, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

How / why show 26 June 2016 Copa América result as a "Draw"?

Currently, this page is showing the 26 June 2016 Copa América final as a "Draw", with background color = Yellow. I assume this is because the score at the end of play was 0-0. But ... they did decide the game by penalty kicks ... clearly Argentina lost the match. What is the applicable definition here? Lynchmob98 (talk) 15:53, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

It's a draw. Ask anyone at WT:FOOTY. SLBedit (talk) 18:28, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

I understand that it's a draw ... I'm asking for a pointer to the definition of Win / Lose / Draw? Given that this match was a Draw, that means it's possible to win the cup without any Wins ... and similarly, it can be said that Argintina was undefeated during the tournament, yet did not win the tournament. Lynchmob98 (talk) 04:43, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Because that's how it works. Without a penalty shoot-out to untie the match (ended with a draw) there would be no winner. SLBedit (talk) 16:00, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

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Vandalism

Hello, there's been some recent vandalism from a user with this account (119.30.35.78). He makes malicious edits on this three pages (Argentina national football team, Argentina–Brazil football rivalry and Roca Cup), by posting a false result from a game that never happened and using a false link that redirects to a dead website. Hope some measures could be taken by a mod. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.133.166.106 (talk) 18:43, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Dispute over Maradona's goal count for Argentina

Spanish ESPN stated that Maradona has 32 not 34 goals for Argentina. Could it be the same case as with Batistuta, who scored 2 against some Slovak or Slovenian youth side, which aren't recognized by AFA? (Source:https://twitter.com/City_Chief/status/929367312683159553)  Saksapoiss (Saksapoiss) 20:49, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Apply protection against vandalism

Pls Apply protection against vandalism, because the tension surrounding the game with Israel. Wikiped201820 (talk) 01:11, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Olympic medal record not shown

I’ve noticed that Olympic medal record is not displayed in this article, while it appears on every other major team’s page (Brazil for example) Please add this to the article. Gonzaloges (talk) 05:35, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Argentina National Team

Argentina is not the only national team to have won at least once every FIFA-recognized competition for which it is eligible. It never won the Under-17 World Cup.

kenapa tidak boleh menggunakan bendera negara? padahal itukan negara asal pelatih dan pemain Argentina bukan?

why not use the country flag? whereas the country of origin coach and Argentine players is not it? Erick Valentino Krisdianto (talk) 01:43, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

kit change

the kit for 2019 is changed please update — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.210.118.5 (talk) 12:05, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Sergio Aguero

Just so everyone is aware, the change for Aguero's club from Man City to Barca should happen on July 1st as that's when his new contract begins and for the time being, he is currently under contract with Man City. - CanadianCon2020 (talk) 18:37, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Nigeria?

Please remove Nigeria from the rivalry list. It is not a team that we consider rival. In fact we never lost to them, and there are no discussions of any kind with that country — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.164.236.44 (talk) 10:55, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 February 2022

Leo Pessi 2601:583:600:9D70:652B:1531:9A5C:B25A (talk) 00:37, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:39, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 February 2022 (2)

2400:1A00:BD11:136F:89AD:5D93:1752:B545 (talk) 05:29, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Captain : Leonal pessi

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. - FlightTime (open channel) 05:56, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 February 2022 (3)

R.I.T.S.I.T.I.S (talk) 16:42, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

You haven't said what change you want. JBW (talk) 16:44, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 March 2022

Change captain's name to Chionel pessi 2405:204:A290:8DC6:0:0:1324:D8AC (talk) 04:54, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Bsoyka (talk) 06:19, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Errors in Argentina's achievement

Seems like some hater just messed up with this page. Argentina won 2 Olympic games, but in the table it's written '0'. Also Pan American games & Pre-Olympic Tournament was not included. Where as in Brazil's page it was included They won 7 Pan American Games & 5 Pre-Olympic Tournament. So total they have 34 major titles. 27.114.178.24 (talk) 23:23, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Olympic medals gone

Where are the gold Olympic medals? 2A02:2F08:6114:E400:9D7E:2BC9:C779:290B (talk) 18:30, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

They are listed on the respective U-23 articles as they should. They are not first team senior honors, therefore they do not belong on these articles. Please also use a proper tone when editing on Wikipedia, personal attacks won't do anything good. Speun (talk) 18:46, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Argentina head to head record vs other teams

I think winning on penelty shootouts should be recorded as a win rather than draw.

Argentina won 3 against Netherlands. 2 times they won by penalty shootouts

If you're recording pk wins as draws what's the point of penalty shootouts to declare the winning team. It should be recorded as a win. Argentina beat Netherlands in 2014 world cup in the semis. If they drew than what's the point of advancing to final !

Correct this 27.114.178.204 (talk) 07:23, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Argentina head to head record against other teams

Argentina won 5 times against Italy it's not 4 They beat them in world cup through penalty shootouts..you recorded that as a draw. What's the point of winning of penalty shootouts doesn't count! 27.114.178.204 (talk) 07:27, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Argentina

Argentina 117.20.116.181 (talk) 18:55, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

"Pessi"

Some funny person changed Messi's name to "Pessi" on several tabs. Notably in the general info block on the right — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.54.0.147 (talk) 18:02, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Agüero

Should Agüero be kept in the recent call-ups section as he was last called up within the last 12 months? I feel he should be there with a note to say retired (it seems that this note is already present beneath the table). Many thanks, Vesuvio14 (talk) 20:49, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Consensus on this was established at WikiProject Football. It was decided that such players should still be included in the recent call-ups section, as has happened with Giorgio Chiellini at Italy national team. I will edit later to reflect this, but thought I ought to inform those interested first.Vesuvio14 (talk) 10:01, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

olympics

Argentina won gold in 2004 and 2008 and silver in 1996, the article lists only silver from 1928. Dthomann (talk) 19:56, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Because Olympics is now a U-23 tournament. It has been discussed already on the footballproject talkpage. Youth honors do not belong on first team senior articles. Speun (talk) 22:09, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Fifa World Cup 2022

Saudi Arabia's coach said if Argentina makes it to the top of the list then it will take the cup home.

What do you think? 113.21.69.187 (talk) 22:13, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

wasn't wrong (: 2800:810:599:2CA6:A088:E7F3:2A90:2CF5 (talk) 00:21, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

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Someone doesn’t know what “lit.” means

La Selección obviously literally means The Selected, not “The National Team”. AwesomePhilosopher (talk) 08:21, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Argentina won Gold in 2008

This page doesn’t include the fact that Argentina had won Gold at the Beijing Summer Olympics in 2008. 2406:3003:206B:2D81:F9F7:DF40:7820:57C9 (talk) 13:22, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

The Argentina under-23s won that one. Since 1992 the IOC has only allowed 3 players aged over 23 in football teams. It'll be here. Angusgtw (talk) 13:32, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

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Rivalry with Netherlands

After the recent world cup in 2022 and the intense quarter final between Argentina and the Netherlands, I think the rivalry with the Netherlands should be added and have its own segment. The two teams already have an established rivalry, with Argentina previously facing and beating them in the 2014 WC semi-finals, as well as the 1978 WC final where Argentina claimed its very first title. Jonipoon (talk) 10:51, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Playing 3 games in 44 years does not make a rivalry. Are there reliable sources covering the rivalry (rather than individual games) in detail? Spike 'em (talk) 11:43, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

It's not just 3 games, I just mentioned the most famous ones. The rivalry already has its very own article, Argentina–Netherlands football rivalry, so I find it strange that it's not mentioned in this article but rivalries that don't have own articles such as the ones for Germany and Nigeria are mentioned. Jonipoon (talk) 10:50, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

It's still not a rivalry, that's a brand new article there, is it really needed?? Govvy (talk) 11:00, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

To be fair I had no idea that the article was created just a few days ago; I reckoned it was an older one. It seems to have been created solely by one member, which already makes it questionable. However, there are plenty of articles from established sports magazines linked in the article talking about the various incidents at this year's world cup match between Argentina and the Netherlands. here, here, here, and here are all great examples of sources cementing this rivalry.Jonipoon (talk) 11:25, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Those are just coverage of a single, albeit fractious, game. We need articles that discuss a long-term rivalry. Spike 'em (talk) 12:53, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

I agree with @Jonipoon: that rivalry should be added so the article already exist. If some editor don't agree with the existence of such an article, he can nominate it for deletion. Indeed the Argentina*-Netherlands rivalry is far to be a longstanding one such as Argentina-Uruguay, but the article is ok for me.

In fact, the Argentina–Mexico football rivalry is much more recent but it has grown more fiercy than older derbies, even concerning politically sensitive or controversial subjects (such as Malvinas War from some Mexican supporters) - sources: [3], [4], [5]. Fma12 (talk) 10:43, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Well, if there's support for this addition we might want to consider putting together a short summary based on that article. Jonipoon (talk) 16:36, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 6 January 2023

In the section where you show pictures of the winning captains, you should change Messi's picture since the other two have the captains with their world cups, so it would make sense for Messi'1 picture to also have him holding up the cup. PandaThanos (talk) 20:55, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: There's not currently a similar image available like you describe, on Commons. Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 21:11, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 January 2023

olympic 2008 winners 91.247.57.81 (talk) 09:34, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Melmann 13:35, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

They didn't win it, their U-23 won it. It is a youth honor since 1992. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Speun (talk • contribs) 18:44, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Rivalry with Mexico and Nigeria

This is odd. Most Argentinians don't see Mexico as an even match. Mexico has a midrank national team, and Argentina has almost always won against them. I find it odd that this is placed at the same level as the othee rivalries.

The same is true for Nigeria. 90.166.134.189 (talk) 06:43, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

I second or third this, dunno who created that page, but it seems odd 2A02:8428:6333:C401:3978:588:8E54:8FA4 (talk) 02:35, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Success

Argentina is the fourth most successful team behind germany italy and brazil not the third 185.200.212.98 (talk) 17:24, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

2004 and 2008 Olympic Gold Medals

2004 Athens and 2008 Beijing Olympic Gold Medals are missing from the information box at the top but it includes a silver medal from the 1928 Amsterdam Olympics. Please amend this and include the Gold medals. 2A02:C7C:53D3:4700:748C:1016:B32:7377 (talk) 21:06, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Holding the 2022 FIFA world cup

Someone should add Lionel Messi holding the world cup as the other pictures beside it show their respective captains holding it. BruceS2005 (talk) 22:40, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

help

Soy un chico de Bangladesh de una familia muy pobre, siempre apoyé a la selección Argentina y acabé con mi vida. No puedo caminar bien ahora. Argentina pide ayuda a todos los futbolistas, así corre Dios (bikash-+8801918763150/Agrani bank-0200020345318 116.58.200.53 (talk) 11:14, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

error

Lorenzo manager in inglaterra 66! no jose m. minella!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 168.226.130.66 (talk) 21:40:21, August 19, 2007 (UTC) Uishiheybeuybeuybsysbysbygdygeugbdiuhdbiuhd tbdtbdtgdekdkkf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.210.237.143 (talk) 16:39, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Argentina won two olympic games medal in 2004 & 2008 respectively.plz.rectify the data.

@ 103.138.251.155 (talk) 10:42, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Since 1992, the Argentina national under-23 football team participated in the Olympics, so the gold medals in 2004 and 2008 were counted for the U23 team. See Argentina U-23 honours. Regards. Annh07 (talk) 11:01, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Argentina logo

Copa América 1937 Argentina used logo in jersey https://abrilacancha.com.ar/wp-content/uploads/ldt-1937-aNTONIO-saSTRE.jpg

In 1928 Argentina used (only in friendly matches against Barcelona) National emblem logo ELC70 (talk) 16:07, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

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Why is Lionel Messi deleted from the Argentina squad? - Put vandalism protections in place please

He was also deleted as team captain - please restore Messi to the Argentina squad and to the team. He was merely missing from the last two games because of injury. This is the work of a vandal. 2604:3D09:4184:5100:28C2:E9F:77AE:1D7F (talk) 03:11, 2 April 2024 (UTC)