Talk:Ardoch Roman Fort

Moved page back from Alavna Veniconvm

I reverted the page move made on 29 January 2014‎ when this page was moved to Alavna Veniconvm. There are two issues here. Firstly, the convention I think, on Wikipedia is that when the letter "u" is meant in a Roman name then the "u" should be used regardless of how the Romans spelled the name, thus the page should have been moved to Alauna Veniconum. Secondly, and rather more importantly, the identification of this site with the "Alauna" in Ptolemy's Geography is rather doubtful. As far as Scotland is concerned there's a problem in trying to relate most of Ptolemy's place names with actual sites, and the identification of Ardoch with Ptolemy's Alauna is rather tentative. I also don't know where this "Veniconum" suffix has come from. It is given as such on the roman-britain.org site but as far as I can tell it is not in Ptolemy. Anyway I shall see if I can find scholarly references concerning this. Pasicles (talk) 19:31, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

You are right. Roman proper names need indeed transcription. The funny thing is Italian WP has an article named Alauna Veniconum which has more references. Perhaps one of them states that Ardoch Roman fort is Alauna Veniconum - but I can't check that. --Saturnian (talk) 20:34, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

I've had a look at the Italian page, and the references listed there are just an edited copy of the references given on roman-britain.org. Pasicles (talk) 21:39, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

It's seems there are more Alauna forts

Alcester#Historical_significance is another case. Does somebody knows what's the origin of "Veniconum"? -- Saturnian (talk) 20:52, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Here is a link for a copy of book II of Ptolemy's Geography - the Alauna we're interested is the place listed among six "towns" belonging to the Damnoni, and its simply called "Alauna". I get precisely zero hits for the word "Veniconum" on Google Book Search. However searching around I notice there was a tribe to the east in Fife called the Venicones. It seems to me that someone has added their name on to Alauna as a way of distinguishing the settlement from all the other Alaunas in Britain. It seems to have been a rather arbitary choice. Pasicles (talk) 21:52, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

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Tay? Or Keir or Knaik?

Alexander Gordon’s tale of the underground passage. This section mentions the Tay, some 24 miles away. More likely is the tunnel under one of the two nearest rivers, or is the reported speech correct? 146.90.139.0 (talk) 21:21, 1 February 2024 (UTC)