Talk:Apple Store

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Early discussion I'm the one who added the clean-up tag. following is what I'd like to see done. if you can think of anything else that needs doing, please add it, and if you do anything on that list (or see that it has been done), please strike it out.

—Mac-arena the Bored Zo 09:11, 2006 Jun 35 (UTC)

to-do list==

• Search for all text in [brackets] and figure out the correct text. For example, this article doesn't know whether Lucky Bags have been discontinued or not.

No one knows if the Lucky Bags have been discontinued as there haven't been many Flagship openings since. Japan still has them over New Years because that is a Japanese tradition, but my point is no one knows. Not even Gary, webmaster of the website www.ifoapplestore.com and he knows more than anyone outside of Apple when it comes to Apple retail stores. --Hersch 02:48, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Grammar fixes and unification. (Done.)
• Exhaustive list of stores, with opening dates.

Such a list (including comments, photos and sometimes even video) is readily available at ifoapplestore.com. If such a list should be included in WP, it should probably be placed in its own article (e.g. List of Apple Stores in the US). --FlorianB 28 June 2005 09:12 (UTC)

I second. — boredzo (talk) June 30, 2005 09:51 (UTC)

Did it. I have not struck through the list item above, because the list of Apple retail stores in the US still doesn't have opening dates. — boredzo (talk) June 30, 2005 10:23 (UTC)

What happened to the list? There's no page there now, and I don't see it as having been deleted, is this still something if interest? Frijole 19:07, 4 October 2006 (UTC) nevermind, found it: Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/List_of_Apple_retail_stores_in_the_US 17.232.49.173 20:03, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Design and History section still needs some rewriting, otherwise I think cleanup can be removed, improving the US list is a project for the corresponding site. --FlorianB 1 July 2005 04:01 (UTC)

I have now removed the clean-up tag. Did some more rewriting and restructuring of "Design and History", so it is really separated into Design & History.

I have also (temporarily) removed the sentence

Another cost cut: In April 2002, Apple deemed itself to have hired too many full-time sales associates 
for its earliest-debuting stores and laid many off. 

because I couldn't find any sources confirming this. Can anybody provide a source please.

Also added the <br>-tag in the stores by country section again. Otherwise the layout with the two pics gets messed up! --FlorianB 1 July 2005 10:40 (UTC)

I added a blurb (with refs) about both the iPod Bar and cleaned up The Studio description a bit, also a note on the new store designs. Frijole 19:07, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

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Cleanup

I've just removed the section called Apple Stores by Country. There really isn't any purpose to giving a store-by-store list of each new location in each country, and certainly no purpose to letting us know that one opened at 9 AM. Instead, the opening paragraph now describes how many locations there are and what countries they're in. The result, I think, is a cleaner article that has information that people will find notable. —Cleared as filed. 15:47, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Article title

Apple refers to its retail stores as "Apple Stores" (see http://www.apple.com/retail/). æ² ✆ 2006-08-04t18:22z

yeah, it would appear Apple uses the term "Apple Store" for both retail and online versions. So at least a disambiguation page would be warranted. I'll make that change now...as for whether the retail version should be considered primary or not, I don't know. --C S (Talk) 00:07, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

It should appear as Apple Retail Store and Apple Online Store. Apple Online Store is the first store of retail and online so the online should be considered primary. I began a move with the articles mentioned. --Diggan (talk) 03:30, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Apple Store on Fifth Avenue, New York City

It is the first building with all supporting elements where made of glass. The glass elements were made from the german company BGT, who also has made the glass panels for the züricher glass pavilion. Source http://www.3sat.de/3sat.php?http://www.3sat.de/kulturzeit/tips/102565/index.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.217.30.253 (talk) 08:57, 8 January 2007 (UTC).

List of Apple Store Locations

Should I go ahead and make this, I’ve been thinking about it and I wasn’t sure what anyone would think. Max Naylor 13:45, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Apparently not, it got deleted. Oh well. Max Naylor 10:18, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

first apple store?

McDonald's stores are, as I understand it, owned by individuals but have to confirm to the standards established by McDonald's. Were Apple Stores established before 2001 operated in this same manner? Here's an example of such an Apple store:

http://www.unex-t.com/applestore TerraFrost 01:42, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I think you're referring to McDonald's franchise stores. So yes, some McDonald's stores are franchises (meaning owned by an individual but running under some agreement with corporate) and others are corporate owned.

Apple stores before 2001 weren't really Apple Stores in the same concept as they are today. Prior to 2001, those were basically authorized resellers or authorized repair centers. They were not owned by Apple but they had agreements with Apple that authorized them to either sell or repair Apple products. Do such establishments still exist? Yes, I think so but they are authorized resellers or authorized repair stores, not Apple Stores. Murielgh (talk) 16:16, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Edit buttons

There are no edit buttons adjacent to each section appearing in the article, I've tried to fix this problem, but to no avail. Can someone else perhaps take a gander? Benwedge (talk) 20:26, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

The problem lies with all the images going down the right side of the page. Look to the bottom of the article and you will find your missing edit links... ~ Paul^T+/_C 07:12, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I think there's more to it than just the images, I took almost all of them out, and was working on spacing them throughout the article, but even with them missing, the buttons were still at the bottom. I'll try to dig into it some more later. – ɜɿøɾɪɹℲ _{( тɐʟк • ¢ʘи†ʀ¡βs )} 14:25, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

first apple store?

I think you might have gotten the first apple store in continental Europe wrong because I personally went to an apple store in Zürich, Switzerland back in 2005 24.46.187.96 (talk) 19:11, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

You must've visited an Apple reseller, as to this day Switzerland still doesn't have an Apple Retail Store. Mvjs (talk) 21:03, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus for move based on Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names). --Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:56, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

Apple Store → Apple Retail Store — Apple refers to their stores as "Apple Retail Stores" rather than simply Apple Stores. Taking once glance at their retail website (http://www.apple.com/retail) will confirm this. The page is called "Apple Retail Store" and with a few lazy exceptions, everything on the page is "Apple Retail Store" Mvjs (talk) 22:27, 25 September 2008 (UTC) — Mvjs (talk) 22:27, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

The first continental europe Apple Store was the Rome Apple Store in 2007. Anyway, You may add the up to date new opening in Bergamo, Italy on saturday sept 25th 2010 ( http://www.apple.com/retail/storelist/ ) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.0.8.126 (talk) 13:41, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

• Support as nominator Mvjs (talk) 22:29, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose I think Apple does that simply for extra clarification, since they also have apple.com/store. The more common name is simply "Apple Store". -- Ned Scott 04:47, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:UCN. Dekimasuよ! 05:16, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose. The justification for this move appears to be another simple appeal to official names. Have a look at that proposal; Is it helpful in explaining why this seemingly obvious rename is in fact in violation of both our practice and our policy? Andrewa (talk) 16:12, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

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AppleCentre?

Way back in my youth in the UK, there was a shop near where I lived in London called an AppleCentre, selling exclusively Apple kit (back in the days of Mac OS Classic and 68XXX processors - I'm talking late 80s here!) I am fairly sure these were dotted about the UK and were an Apple-run endeavour, not a franchise or third party. Am I insane or can anyone else back me up? If so, would be relevant material for this piece - mainly because I was surprised to find this article stating that the first Apple retail store was founded in 2001. 82.40.177.2 (talk) 10:41, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

This was not run by Apple Inc., it's a reseller of Apple products. There's always been a distinction between "AppleCentres" and "Apple Stores", Apple Stores are owned and operated by Apple Inc. in Cupertino while AppleCentres, premium resellers, etc. aren't. All Apple Retail Stores (the ones owned by Apple), have been and are explicitly called Apple Stores. MvjsTalking 10:49, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Title

[copied from User talk:Psantora]

I'm not sure that Apple Store (chain) is a better link than Apple Store (retail). The stores are known as "Apple Retail Stores" on Apple's website so the "retail" term was deliberate. The online store is called the "Apple Online Store". The term "chain" can be confusing and also implies that they might be franchised, which is incorrect. ~ Paul^T+/_C 04:12, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

1. Have you read the Retailing article (to which you linked above)? "Online retailing" is explicitly referenced. Apple can use (or not use) the term "retail" however it pleases, and it doesn't change the fact that both the online and brick and mortar Apple Stores are retail operations.

2. In no way does the term "chain" imply that franchising occurs. The operation in question factually is a chain, as stated in the article's hatnote and lead.

3. As there obviously is disagreement regarding the best course of action, I've reverted to the stable setup (which I'm not even convinced needed to be changed). Feel free to initiate a move request or participate in discussion on the article's talk page. —David Levy 04:47, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

[continuing the discussion here]

Aside from the issue of whether "retail" or "chain" is a better disambiguation word, I'm not certain that there's any need to move this article from the title Apple Store. The only other entity bearing that designation is Apple's online storefront (something that practically every major PC manufacturer has, with few receiving dedicated Wikipedia articles), so the brick and mortar chain should be regarded as the term's primary meaning (and of course, the hatnote links directly to Apple Store (online), so it remains a single click away).

Neither of the other two subjects included on the disambiguation page actually bears the designation "Apple Store," so I'd say that this article's hatnote link to that page is sufficient. —David Levy 05:05, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Quotation Marks

Why is 'acceptance rate' in quotation marks?--Supergeek1694 (talk) 21:06, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm assuming it is because it is a quotation. Have you checked the source? ~ Paul^T+/_C 22:50, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Number of Apple Stores

We know, Apple opens many new Apple Stores, that's good. But when a person changes a number for a state, PLEASE CHANGE THE TOTAL NUMBER of Apple Stores, if not it DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE! Thanks. Lppa (talk) 11:59, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Number of Stores wrong

http://www.apple.com/retail/storelist/

222 in the US as of today.

Roblacroix (talk) 14:32, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, you're right. Thanks for contribution!

Lppa (talk) 20:22, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

In this case, you might update the number of stores o.O !!

Lppa (talk) 20:23, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Netherlands

I've removed the addition of a claim that there are 24 Apple stores in the Netherlands, as http://www.apple.com/nl/ doesn't show any - just resellers. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:33, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm ok with you. Notify the person who added the Netherlands to the list :). → Kind Regards, Lppa ^{Let's talk about it!} 21:50, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

If you don't mind, I am coming from Holland and follow the news about this. Mayby I can add a different source about a store getting opend in Amsterdam, see this website http://www.onemorething.nl/2011/07/haalt-apple-store-amsterdam-de-kerst-niet/. It is the last findable source about the creation of the Apple store there and builing is in progress http://cdniphone.i-culture.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/hirschgebouw-amsterdam1.jpg(photo july 2011). The opening is scheduled for march 2012. IlxWrite (talk) 20:07, 6 August 2011 (UTC).

Apple store in UK

There are now 28 apple stores in the UK with covent Garden opening tomorrow so can someone fix it to 28 and not 27.Rctycoplay (talk) 22:43, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Curious math indeed...

229 + 28 + 15 + 9 + 7 + 4 + 3 + 3 + 2 + 2 = 302, not 301. I hope some admin fix this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.51.14.152 (talk) 05:18, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Greece

There is no stores in greece according to the official apple store list on their website so please remove this —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rctycoplay (talk • contribs) 19:07, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Obnoxiously local and out of date information

I've pulled a bunch of information that was either of local interest only (who cares about a new store being opened in the UK,) out of date (don't list the "latest store" to open IF you're not going to update it) or poor grammar (store opening in China.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.79.179.92 (talk) 22:38, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Fake Apple Stores

That's pretty interesting. 188.102.10.166 (talk) 05:44, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Apple Mini Retail stores

I believe there should be some mention of the Mini Stores in the article. It should also have its own heading since its distinct enough from the regular Apple stores in term of size and services offered, yet not different enough to warrant its own article. Sharanth 1:45, 25 September 2011.

New York Times article

Is there a specific reason why the so-called "negative" information from that article is somehow more notable for the lead than the so-called "positive" information from the same exact article?--JOJ ^Hutton 18:05, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

The information in the lead should be a short summary of the information presented in greater detail in the body of the article. I don't know that "so-called" really applies. The New York Times article is critical. Actually, it is plain nonsense; a firm is not required to pay employees wages orders of magnitude above what they can easily be hired for, but we have no source for that. User:Fred Bauder Talk 18:11, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes its a short summery of the article, but it should be balanced and should reflect the source, the entire source, not just the cherry picked parts that appear to show bias and POV. Your first addition was way beyond a Neutral point of view. You toned it down after being reverted, but the apparent neutrality problem still exists, since what was written only reflects part of the source. Other sources, or at least the one I found, debunked the New York Times article, at least the part about employee compensation. You now call the Times article nonsense, but use it in the article to justify the information in the article. And why again should the "negative" parts of the article be in the lead paragraph while leaving out the "positive" in the process. Its like if we only read the first part of Tom Sawyer. Tom comes off like some sort of a mischievous kid who only wants to do bad and selfish things. We would say that Tom is a jerk. Reading on we find out that Tom is actually a good kid who tries really hard to be a better person and stops the bad guy. He's not perfect, but he does try. I know its not really a fair comparison, but the way the information is presented in the lead, makes it look like Apple deliberately keeps wages low and doesn't give employees chances to advance. And if we only read the first part of the Times article, that's the POV that someone would come away with too. We have to keep reading the article to see that Apple actually offers higher compensation than other retail stores, and offers other great benefits. That information is not being portrayed in the lead. All the lead says now is that Apple offers "limited career opportunities." At least you removed the "Limited Wages" which you know as well as I do is a half truth at best.--JOJ ^Hutton 13:09, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Actually, it is a home truth. Computer salespeople paid on commission sometimes earn 6 figures and nearly always earn more than clerks at Apple Stores; not that Apple might not have made a wise decision not to set up that game. User:Fred Bauder Talk 14:46, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

That's why its a half truth. Yes it's true that "commission" based employees have the potential to earn more, but do they really? And are "commission" based stores really as prevalent as normal retail stores? I know that Best Buy employees are not on commission. Not sure about the Microsoft Store or the Sony Store. (Two stores that along with the Apple Store are in a local mall I frequent). It's all in the article now anyway. Both the negative and the positive, but why have you chosen to only accentuate the negative in the lead, while leaving out parts that show that Apple employees think that they make good pay and benefits? Another article released today says that many employees think that Apple provides great opportunity and benefits. Not all of course, but every company can't please everyone.--JOJ ^Hutton 15:19, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

‘you have to remember, this is a retail job. Nothing more, nothing less’, yes. That is the essence of what has been added to the article. User:Fred Bauder Talk 03:04, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Honestly I'm not sure what they had to do with my question of why some information from one source is deemed to be more important for the lead than other information from the very same source.--JOJ ^Hutton 23:48, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Play around with it and do it better. But please use the lead to summarize detail in the body. User:Fred Bauder Talk 00:40, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

OSX

Can we remove OSX from the Products section in the infobox since all OSX is now digital? Bencey (talk) 13:31, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Could you order and pay for it at an Apple Store? User:Fred Bauder Talk 15:24, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

not sure, I know that Lion was available on a USB stick and digital and mountain lion is digital only. Bencey (talk) 23:41, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Title

[copied from User talk:Psantora]

I'm not sure that Apple Store (chain) is a better link than Apple Store (retail). The stores are known as "Apple Retail Stores" on Apple's website so the "retail" term was deliberate. The online store is called the "Apple Online Store". The term "chain" can be confusing and also implies that they might be franchised, which is incorrect. ~ Paul^T+/_C 04:12, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

1. Have you read the Retailing article (to which you linked above)? "Online retailing" is explicitly referenced. Apple can use (or not use) the term "retail" however it pleases, and it doesn't change the fact that both the online and brick and mortar Apple Stores are retail operations.

2. In no way does the term "chain" imply that franchising occurs. The operation in question factually is a chain, as stated in the article's hatnote and lead.

3. As there obviously is disagreement regarding the best course of action, I've reverted to the stable setup (which I'm not even convinced needed to be changed). Feel free to initiate a move request or participate in discussion on the article's talk page. —David Levy 04:47, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

[continuing the discussion here]

Aside from the issue of whether "retail" or "chain" is a better disambiguation word, I'm not certain that there's any need to move this article from the title Apple Store. The only other entity bearing that designation is Apple's online storefront (something that practically every major PC manufacturer has, with few receiving dedicated Wikipedia articles), so the brick and mortar chain should be regarded as the term's primary meaning (and of course, the hatnote links directly to Apple Store (online), so it remains a single click away).

Neither of the other two subjects included on the disambiguation page actually bears the designation "Apple Store," so I'd say that this article's hatnote link to that page is sufficient. —David Levy 05:05, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

The first store Apple got was the Apple Online Store. Should the online store be in a article called "Apple Store" and the retail in a article called "Apple Store (retail)"? More exact would be Apple Online Store and Apple Retail Store and Apple agrees. --Diggan (talk) 03:35, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Please see WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and WP:COMMONNAME. A term's original meaning isn't necessarily its primary one, and we base our articles' title on their subjects' common names (when they exist), not on the official names preferred by their owners.

"Apple Store" usually refers to the brick and mortar chain (and said chain usually is referred to as the "Apple Store"). A noted above, the online Apple Store (a secondary meaning) is linked via a hatnote, so it remains one click away. The disambiguation page created by SchuminWeb merely ensures that everyone (whether seeking the primary meaning or the secondary one) must follow such a link.

If either of you disagrees that the brick and mortar chain is the primary meaning of "Apple Store" or that said chain usually is referred to by that name, please initiate a move request. —David Levy 04:05, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

I see that you just redirected Apple Store to the online store's article. That's arguably worse, as it misdirects years' of links intended for the brick and mortar store. Said links should have been corrected before SchuminWeb's move occurred (but not until after establishing consensus).

Clearly, discussion is needed. —David Levy 04:08, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Also, I see no evidence that "Apple Retail Store" and "Apple Online Store" actually are the entities' official names. They appear to be mere descriptions. (Apple uses title case for many of its links, including the adjacent "Contact Us" and "Site Map".)

The heading "Apple Store" and message "Welcome to the Apple Store" appear at the top of the page displayed at store.apple.com/us. —David Levy 04:27, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Additionally, a disambiguation page already existed at Apple Store (disambiguation), so I'm baffled as to why SchuminWeb created a second one (with only two links) at Apple Store. —David Levy 04:31, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Formally, the company does use the term "Apple Retail Store" to distinguish from the online counterpart. However public usage of "Apple Store" usually refers to the retail locations. Limefrost Spiral (talk) 16:39, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

I know we don't typically go by Google results but i'm posting this up anyway:

• "Apple Store" - 27.4 million results
• "Apple Retail Store" - 6.8 million

I also believe "Apple Store" to be more common. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 16:54, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Apple certainly uses the phrase "Apple Retail Store" to describe its brick and mortar chain (for the purpose of distinguishing it from the company's online store, as you noted), but I see no evidence that this is a formal name. The page that you've cited has an "Apple Retail Store" heading, but it also contains a photograph labeled "The Apple Store, Amsterdam" (which perhaps is part of a rotation). And selecting any location from the drop-down list results in the display of an "Apple Store" address. —David Levy 10:25, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

References

Incorrect citation of store locations

As of today, there is no job listing for Denmark, Austria, UAE, Thailand, and Brazil. Also the references of these stores point to unrelated content, the Swedish store. Please remove those stores until the correct citations are given. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.108.214.191 (talk) 16:27, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 2

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was not moved. --BDD (talk) 19:45, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Apple Store → Apple Retail Store – Limefrost wants to rename the article without changing the article title. I want a proper discussion to avoid this and to have the community decide on the name. Apple Store is still by far the most Common Name. Argue your point below and remember this is not a vote, only arguments count. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:24, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

• Obviously i'm Opposed to the rename based on Common name. We could add "retail store" to every article on a company just because they're retail stores, but it would be pointless and violate common name. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:24, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
• I also oppose such a move (for the reasons discussed above). "Apple Retail Store" appears to be a description that Apple uses to distinguish the company's brick and mortar chain from its online store, not a formal name.
  And as Jenova20 noted, even if "Apple Retail Store" were the official branding, it would fail WP:COMMONNAME. —David Levy 10:25, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

  We should use what Apple refers to it as, instead of just conjecturing their motives. In many other articles the WP:COMMONNAME is the title but later in the article there is a clarification on the full/expanded name. In the case of Dell, the formal name of the company is Dell Inc. Also a google search does show Apple Retail Store at many malls (including the website URL address), not just Apple Store. Limefrost Spiral (talk) 20:50, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

  We should use what Apple refers to it as, instead of just conjecturing their motives. In many other articles the WP:COMMONNAME is the title but later in the article there is a clarification on the full/expanded name.
  The claim that "Apple Retail Store" is the chain's official name (and "Apple Store" is merely a colloquialism) is conjecture on your part, reliant upon your personal interpretation of pages containing an "Apple Retail Store" heading (accompanied by more usage of "Apple Store").
  Also a google search does show Apple Retail Store at many malls (including the website URL address), not just Apple Store.
  Please see Confirmation bias. One can easily find listings for "Albertson's", "Ralph's" and "Wegman's" supermarkets or "Tim Horton's" doughnut shops. In fact, the names of Albertsons, Ralphs, Wegmans and Tim Hortons contain no apostrophes (though I believe that the lattermost was called "Tim Horton's" previously).
  I'd have to see examples of the website URLs to which you referred, which might have been registered because variants containing "applestore" were unavailable (or for some other reason). —David Levy 00:24, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

• Actually, "Apple Retail Store" is what it says on the company's website. Plus I did a google search with "Apple Store" and the first thing that it brings up is the online store (on that article it is known simply as Apple Store and not Apple Online Store), followed by google news, then the following: Apple (Canada) - Apple Retail Store, Apple Retail Store - Markville Shopping Centre, Apple Retail Store - Fairview, and so on and so on. So Apple Retail Store has to be the official name of the brick and mortar chain. Limefrost Spiral (talk) 04:34, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

  Actually, "Apple Retail Store" is what it says on the company's website.
  Are you reading my replies?
  No one denies that the phrase "Apple Retail Store" appears on the company's website. As you noted, this serves to distinguish the brick and mortar chain from the online store. The company's website contains far more instances of "Apple Store", specifically in reference to the brick and mortar chain.
  Plus I did a google search with "Apple Store" and the first thing that it brings up is the online store
  Yes, that's operated under the "Apple Store" name too.
  (on that article it is known simply as Apple Store and not Apple Online Store),
  That's because "Apple Store" is the common name of both entities.
  followed by google news, then the following: Apple (Canada) - Apple Retail Store, Apple Retail Store - Markville Shopping Centre, Apple Retail Store - Fairview, and so on and so on.
  Are you aware that Google's search results are location-specific? (Surely, you noticed that Canadian hits were favored.)
  So Apple Retail Store has to be the official name of the brick and mortar chain.
  Again, that's conjecture on your part. And in this instance, I don't even understand your logic. —David Levy 06:09, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

• As an another aside, the company does use both Apple Store and Apple Retail Store interchangeably, but on the same page they also refer to the online site as Apple Online Store.[2] Apple Retail Store should be clearly mentioned in this article even if we don't change the article title.Limefrost Spiral (talk) 04:47, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

  As an another aside, the company does use both Apple Store and Apple Retail Store interchangeably, but on the same page they also refer to the online site as Apple Online Store.
  Yes, this was discussed above. Did you read those messages before adding your reply to that section?
  No one disputes that Apple uses the descriptions "Apple Retail Store" and "Apple Online Store" to distinguish between the two entities in question.
  http://www.apple.com/retail/business/
  Yes, that page contains several such mentions. It also contains the sentence "If you prefer to meet in person, you can make a Genius Bar appointment at any Apple Store in the world."
  For some reason, you've unilaterally determined that "Apple Store" is colloquial and the far less common "Apple Retail Store" is the chain's official name.
  Apple Retail Store should be clearly mentioned in this article even if we don't change the article title.
  Have you considered doing so in a manner consistent with the available facts (as opposed to your personal interpretation thereof)? Why not simply mention that the chain is also known as the Apple Retail Store? —David Levy 06:09, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

  Note that "Apple Retail Store" is consistent with the facts from the company website and malls, plus it also does plenty to avoid confusion as the (online) Apple Store (AKA Apple Online Store) predates the retail chain by several years. Am okay with your compromise "also known as the Apple Retail Store" Limefrost Spiral (talk) 17:36, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

  Note that "Apple Retail Store" is consistent with the facts from the company website and malls,
  Again, more instances of "Apple Store" appear in this context. Again, no one denies that the phrase "Apple Retail Store" is used as well.
  The matter of contention is your unilateral determination that "Apple Retail Store" is the chain's official name and "Apple Store" is colloquial.
  plus it also does plenty to avoid confusion as the (online) Apple Store (AKA Apple Online Store) predates the retail chain by several years.
  The page's hatnote ("This article is about the retail chain. For Apple's online store, see Apple Store (online). For other uses, see Apple Store (disambiguation).) serves that purpose. If you disagree, please explain what "confusion" this text fails to alleviate and how your desired content solves the problem.
  Am okay with your compromise "also known as the Apple Retail Store"
  Then why did you again restore your change to the infobox? And why did you include no summary and label your edit minor? "A minor edit is one that the editor believes requires no review and could never be the subject of a dispute." You know perfectly well that this change is the subject of a dispute. —David Levy 18:07, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

  Originally, I wanted the lead introduction to be Apple Retail Store (and thus the online store article should be Apple Online Store) but I agreed to concede that due to commonism. But at the same time, we have to give credit to the company using "Apple Retail Store" too, perhaps I should include the picture of that from the company website as a lead header in the infobox. You are deleting the source for Apple Retail Store, and without a source, you can then claim that its unsourced and remove it too. In the case of Dell, the formal name of the company is Dell Inc. Limefrost Spiral (talk) 14:21, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

The infobox title uses the article name, sourced or not. This isn't an issue of censorship, it's an issue of renaming an article by stealth. Dell Inc, is commonly called Dell by 99% of the world. The Inc part doesn't matter to the reader of the encyclopedia. Read common name because i'm not convinced you have from your repetitive arguments. Concerning the image, if you want to use the official image then go ahead, but i'd much prefer the current image of an actual Apple Store to a copyrighted logo, and i'm sure the reader would too. I think it would fail under Fair Use because we already have FREE images of the stores, which are much better to use. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 15:19, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

But at the same time, we have to give credit to the company using "Apple Retail Store" too,
On what do you base the assertion that it's our responsibility/goal to "give credit to the company"? And how does including "Apple Retail Store" in the article's first sentence fall short of conveying the relevant information?
perhaps I should include the picture of that from the company website as a lead header in the infobox.
For what purpose?
You are deleting the source for Apple Retail Store, and without a source, you can then claim that its unsourced and remove it too.
No such claim has been made, so I request that you withdraw this allegation.
Again, that Apple sometimes refers to its brick and mortar chain as "Apple Retail Store" is not disputed. The issue is that you're speculating as to the significance of such usage and imposing an interpretation based upon your personal analysis (that one phrase used by Apple is official/formal and another phrase used by Apple more often is unofficial/colloquial). "Your source's content doesn't imply what you claim." ≠ "Your source doesn't exist."
Your refusal to address these concerns (expressed several times) while continually engaging in unilateral reversion is disruptive. —David Levy 21:05, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose - as User:Jenova20, WP:COMMONNAME is simply "Apple Store" --Rushton2010 (talk) 02:41, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

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Merger proposal

The same way that Walmart.com, Target.com, BestBuy.com, etc. don't have standalone articles from Walmart, Target, Best Buy, etc., I find it unnecessary for the Apple Store website to have its own article separate from Apple Store. The page has little to offer that cannot already be found or easily merged into the article for the physical storefront, on top of the fact that after Apple revamped their website this month, store.apple.com is a redirect to apple.com. WikiRedactor (talk) 16:45, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Support. We don't need a specific article on this. But also might be worth condensing that article. Blythwood (talk) 16:50, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Support No need for the extra article. I just removed a large NE trivia section from the online store. gidonb (talk) 16:54, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

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Country list in External links

Hi everybody! Does anyone know the reason as to why there is a long list of countries in the External links section? I don't believe that's what that section is supposed to be for. Some of the information there can be merged into the article. I'm not sure what it's trying to accomplish? LocalNet (talk) 10:17, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

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Store closures

Haseo9999, first of all, the change was not referenced with a citation (the external link within the text was not within policy and should have been changed to a reference if the information was to be kept). Second, per WP:BRD, the change was boldly made, reverted, and then you should have started this discussion rather that re-inserting.

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I apologize for the error I made. I am not going to argue with you,a s you have brought up valid points, that we don't report daily news, and that is true. As a result, I am not going to seek consensus to put the info back in. Haseo9999 (talk) 18:11, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

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Ex-Apple Retail Employee

Hi all,

I used to work for Apple Retail (July 2022-Jan 2023) and it was an absolutely fantastic experience. Because of this, I have detailed knowledge on how some relatively internal operations function, however, because they're internal, there isn't too much documented elsewhere on the web. Things like various staff positions, apps, and the like. Obviously I can't go into what those apps actually do because they're internal and I am bound under NDA, but it may still be worth it to mention.

How would I go about adding this info if at all? If I can't find a source other than my own brain, can I even add anything? Akii0008 (talk) 15:38, 29 April 2023 (UTC)