Talk:Apollyon

Abaddon, Abaddon (demon), and Apollyon: there's much confusion and overlap that needs sorting out. —Charles P.  (Mirv) 17:28, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, but those need cleaning up as well. Ian.thomson (talk) 18:45, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

What is the source for pointing out that the LDS or Mormon church believes Apollyon to be Michael? I have never heard of that before? If there is no reliable source I would prefer that the reference of the Mormon church believing Apollyon to be Michale be removed.

The current view on Apollyon is all wrong. Many early church fathers like Commodian viewed Apollyon differently. He cannot be the Beast as the following verses attest:

9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

Quite obvious here that these armies are those of more of an avenging angel who is the *overlord* of the underworld but not the Beast or Satan. He does not wage war on the elect or anything nor does he actually kill anyone, but simply 'hurts' those without the seal. Apollyon is never described as rising from the pit, only his army. He may be the angel that descends from heaven with the key to the bottomless pit.

The description of the army closely matches that in Joel where it is described as an army of God.

Joel 2:11 The LORD raises his voice at the head of his army; For immense indeed is his camp, yes, mighty, and it does his bidding. For great is the day of the LORD, and exceedingly terrible; who can bear it?

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Apollo Program

Any ideas why the NASA called one of their space programs Apollo ("devil" / "destroyer") ? I heard, there's some relation to free masonry (many astronauts are said to be free masons) and their "god", Apollyon.

--85.1.34.196 18:42, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Not that you are going to be reading this, but Apollo and Apollyon are two different names. One is not a translation of the other, they are both separate names from in Greek. To say the two are the same is like saying Desmond is the same as Destroyer. Second, Freemasonry simply requires a belief in a higher power of some sort, it does not have its own God. Ian.thomson (talk) 18:46, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, you are wrong about apollo’s name. “The Greeks later associated Apollo's name with the Greek verb απολλυμι (apollymi) meaning "to destroy". In Greek mythology Apollo was the son of Zeus and Leto and the twin of Artemis. He was the god of prophecy, medicine, music, art, law, beauty, and wisdom. Later he also became the god of the sun and light.” Both Apollo and Apollyon come from the same root word and mean the same thing. “To destroy” “ destroyer” — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.179.240.232 (talk) 10:14, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

WP:NPA

please be sensitive in matters of religion. Ice9Tea 00:10, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Libel

user at IP address 66.177.5.252 as per Wikipedia policy on Libel, which is that it should not be done on Wikipedia pages, and per WP:3RR which states that in the case of reverting to remove Libel it does not apply, and because linking to websites that defame Jehovah's Witnesses has been done repetedly to this article, I will continue to revert to remove it as often as is necessary. please stop it. Wonderpet 00:51, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

References

I do not understand why we have all these references to anti Jehovah's Witnesses websites. First of all, should we not give a reference to something published by Jehovah's Witnesses for what they believe? Second of all, why do we need 5 or 6 references for the same thing? I will try to find a reference in something published by Jehovah's Witnesses. Until I am given a good reason not to, I will continue to remove anti Jehovah's Witnesses references.--Kanata Kid (talk) 15:13, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Why I deleted what I deleted

There were references to a book by a guy named Heron, which was full of garbage. Apollyon is already a Greek word, it means "destroyer." Apollo is not a translation of Apollyon just like Brook is not a translation of Book. The Book of Enoch is not lost (it is available at http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/index.htm ) and doesn't need to be mentioned here. If it was lost, how would Heron refer to it? There has never been any connection between Azazel and Apollo except for Heron making one up. Azazel and Melek-Taus, sure, the Yezidiis make that connection. 70 generations would be roughly 2000 years, which (according to Young Earth Creationism) would mean that Azazel was imprisoned between 3000-1000 BC. We'll not even get into other timelines, such as Old Earth Creationism / Evolution, because that would make Azazel's release even farther back. The reference to Heron's book is POV, Heron's book is pseudohistory at best. I am a Christian too, but just because someone refers to the Bible does not make thier other claims true. Ian.thomson (talk) 18:45, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

You do know Heron is Hero of Alexandria, right ? If you do, how can you let yourself call him a "pseudohistorian"? He was one of the most intelligent individuals to have ever lived in Hellenistic Greece... What you think of him doesn't matter, the ideas he shared should most definitely be brought to light, especially since Apollo and Apollyon most DEFINITELY have a common root.--ConfusedEnoch (talk) 14:56, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

The quality of this article sucks

How the heck do either side justify claiming that Apollyon is the Anti-Christ or Jesus? All the source material says is "he is Abaddon, he is the angel in charge of hell." Everything else is speculation. There is nothing in the Bible that says that Satan is in charge of hell. This article should be merged with the Abaddon article (the source material does say that Apollyon is just another name for Abaddon), both should just consist of "Abaddon/Apollyon is mentioned in the Bible as being the angel in charge of hell," "some grimoires and theologians alike consider him as a demon based on the idea that satan is in charge of hell," "the Jehovah Witness believe Abaddon/Apollyon is a reference to Jesus," and then where the figure is mentioned in in other works (Pilgram's Progress, Left Behind, etc). I'll eventually get to work on a single article explaining each view if I have time, but someone wishing to beat me to it is welcome.

This is Wikipedia, not your fan-fiction blog. If this was a discussion on some TV show and not part of a religious discussion, this article would be locked up like Fort Knox and many of the contributors so far would be banned. Ian.thomson (talk) 18:45, 10 January 2009 (UTC)