Talk:Anund

Anwynd the Breaker is English

The lead sentence now has little to do with the article's heading. On language, Anwynd, as an example, has been a well known English version of Anund for hundreds of years, the only acceptable English version in fact. Anund is definitely is not an English name. Bröt-Anund translates quite literally as Anwynd the Breaker. Translations and clarifications like that add value to articles about people with very strange names to the English eye. Bröt-Anund (without that translation) is phonetically difficult, practically impossible, in English and leaves an English reader without anything whatsoever of value as a name in English. Recent edits here are like saying that Charles the Bald is not canonical English for Karl den skallige. If anyone would like me to stop translating epithets and such to English and stop clarifying names like this to our English readers I can do that. Otherwise, I thought I might try to contribute such legitimately translated formats to articles like this. Claiming in an edit summary, with a marked lack of civilty by the way, that "Anwynd the Breaker" is just Woodzing's invention is like saying that the English language, and legitimate translations and clarifications to and in it, are inventions of mine. I am trying the edit once more and asking for more understanding of my good faith and intentions, if not respect. SergeWoodzing (talk) 03:03, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Anwynd a "well known English version of Anund for hundreds of years"?? During Anglo-saxon times then. Now an English reader probably mostly associates this with Tolkien. Phantasy, not encyclopedic. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 07:23, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure this is well-intentioned but it is confusing, the 'English versions' you insert do not seem to be used anywhere. Haukur (talk) 08:05, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Hello Haukur! I wrote this to you on your talk page on September 13th but you never replied:

• Hello! I am curious, in a friendly way, about some of your edits where you claim that some names or not canonical English. Would love to know what you mean and what you base your POV on. Anwynd, for example, has been a well known English version of Anund for hundreds of years, the only acceptable English version in fact. Anund is definitely is not an English name. Bröt-Anund translates quite literally as Anwynd the Breaker. Translations and clarifications like that add value to articles about people with very strange names to the English eye. Bröt-Anund (without that translation) is phonetically difficult, practically impossible, in English and leaves an English reader without anything whatsoever of value as a name in English. Your edit there is like saying that Charles the Bald is not canonical English for Karl den skallige. Would you like me to stop translating epithets and such to English and stop clarifying names like this to our English readers, which is part of what I thought I would try to contribute to articles like that? If not, I would appreciate if you would reverse your Anund edit. Cordially, SergeWoodzing (talk) 23:15, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

I sincerely feel your version is much more confusing and am reverting again here. I am talking about a legimate translation, which doesn't come under the subject matter of whether or not it is used anywhere. Translations are not to be dismissed that way. The ancient Nordic names in the lead in your version are certainly much more unknown to any English reader as well as disturbing to the eye for many of them and phonetically impossible to read aloud. They seem to be there to show off expertise in Nordic languages, if you'll pardon my reacting that way, rather than being considerate to English readers, and they belong below where I had moved them. Please give this some thought as per my views above, which I share with other experienced editors on en.WP that are mainly English-language people. Won't you please try to respect the constructive linguistic views of such editors? Cordially. SergeWoodzing (talk) 19:15, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

I think that the English translation should be removed. "Anwynd the Breaker" is used by no sources. Serge is quite right; the Swedish name should have a translation. However, it is not our job to translate it. I'm always afraid of original research and inventing a name for someone is precisely that. Surtsicna (talk) 19:51, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

I have reworded the entry so that it should be clear now that Anwynd the Breaker is the meaning of his name, rather that it being purported as a name used. Hope that will satisfy everyone. SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:59, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Great! That's a simple and effective solution. Surtsicna (talk) 14:29, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanx! At the risk of over-clarifying, I have just made a final attempt to explain in full what his name means to anyone who knows neither ancient nor modern Swedish. SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:40, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Exonym Anwynd

See discussion here. SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:17, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

So much for WP policy to always mention exonyms (4th par. lead of guideline)? SergeWoodzing (talk) 00:29, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

If they exist. But Woodzing is making up names that are not attested for these persons. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 06:56, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

I remain of the opinion that Anwynd should not be given as an alternative name here. Haukur (talk) 08:58, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

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The article could use some more information, better formatting and overall copyediting. ErikTheBikeMan (talk) 18:55, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

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