Talk:Antisemitism in the Olympic Games

Copyright

The text in this article is a cut-and-paste from ispf.io [https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Munich_Massacre.html, including citations.

The instant article was published in one fell swoop (13000 characters) on October 30, 2016. The date of retrieval of various references goes back to March 2012. ispf provides no means to test date of creation or update, but the date of reference retrieval match the WP article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhadow (talk • contribs) 15:09, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

That link is a Wikipedia mirror, they've copied our article Munich massacre. I suspect this article has been constructed at least in part by copying content from other Wikipedia articles, which is fine as long as you adhere to WP:CWW. Hut 8.5 21:16, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello Hut 8.5 -- ipfs doesn't cite wikipedia, there's that. This article doesn't cite its source either; that's a failure of WP:CWW. The long term result of all this mirroring and copying it that a material misstatement of fact once injected will float copy by copy forever. There will be no way to figure out where it came from. That's above my pay grade, though. Rhadow (talk) 21:55, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

The link you pointed to is clearly copying Wikipedia, look at the disclaimers at the bottom ("This article is issued from Wikipedia - version of the 11/25/2016", "This snapshot was generated and distributed by the Distributed Wikipedia Mirror project"). Lots of sites do this and they're perfectly entitled to do so. Other dead giveaways are the fact they kept all our formatting and the fact that the source article Munich massacre developed organically over time rather than being copied and pasted in. Hut 8.5 06:36, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello Hut 8.5 -- No argument from me that it's a mirror, of sorts. I would describe it more as a mixtape, but that's not worth fighting over. The point of WP:CWW is to maintain history. this page has none. So what is the solution? You removed the speedy delete tag, I see. Remove the copypaste tag from Oct 2016 and forget about it? If that's the right thing to do, fine. Rhadow (talk) 09:36, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

If the problem is that the content has been copied from another Wikipedia article then the solution is to add attribution to the page history as described in WP:CWW. I've already done that for the Munich massacre article. This is not considered sufficient for a G12 speedy deletion as we are legally entitled to use the content and the problem can be fixed very easily. The copypaste tag was added by a different editor who may have had other concerns. Hut 8.5 20:44, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Sourcing

Anything in this list that names (or clearly refers to) a living person in a way that implies their activity was antisemitic absolutely must have a WP:BLP-quality WP:RS that specifically and unambiguously uses the term "antisemitism"; it can be cited to a high-quality opinion-piece, but if so we need to use clear in-line attributions to make it clear whose opinion it is. Other things here should probably also have such sources, but for BLPs it is non-negotiable; I've noticed that lot of these were cited to low-quality or non-WP:RS sources for that aspect, and others had no such sources at all - the sources established that eg. the incident happened but not that it was driven by antisemitism (or even that anyone alleged it was driven by antisemitism.) We cannot make the determination of whether a refusal to compete with an Israeli is antisemitic, anti-Israeli, or whether those two are the same thing in that context - we need sources that clearly make the connection for us, especially when ascribing motivations to specific, named individuals. --Aquillion (talk) 11:27, 24 April 2021 (UTC)